Mohler takes on 'theistic evolution'

Associated Baptist Press ^ | January 13, 2011 | Bob Allen

[Alamo-Girl]

A person cannot have "facts" without acknowledging some ground by which such purported "facts" can be "validated." This is the fly in their ointment....

Precisely so!

[caww]

Very interesting insight there Betty B. Your one, two, three loop says it well...and I think many people today are their own measure of reality, much of which are the imaginations of their mind.

Good post...enjoyed as always. Same with Alamo Girl’s. Always love the reads....though much goes over my head when you get to deep! HA! You both s-t-r-e-t-c-h ones mind til it hurts! But it’s a good hurt.

[Alamo-Girl]

Beautifully said, dear brother in Christ!

[Alamo-Girl]

I enjoy betty boop's posts so much I save them up for my last read of the session at the computer, so I can grab a cup of hot chocolate, lean back and savor her far reaching insights.

But when I'm done and wanting to reply I often find myself frustrated because her posts are so thorough there's nothing to add - just something that bears repeating. LOLOL!

Thank you so much for your encouragements, dear caww!

[Alamo-Girl]

In several discussions with atheists on the forum, it has become apparent to me that they do have a "god" and that "god" is physical causation.

They put absolute faith in it without really thinking it through.

Which is to say that physical causation requires both space and time because in the absence of space, things cannot exist and in the absence of time, events cannot occur. And that is a poison pill because the CMB measurements from the 1960s forward affirm that the universe is expanding which means that there was a beginning of real space and real time and that space/time does not pre-exist but is created as the universe expands.

Willful blindness perhaps?

[RobbyS]

What is something to think about is that Aquinas,unlike Pascal, for instance, was not distracted by the immensity of space, or the smallness of ultimate things. He could focus on the merely human and the divine, knowing that the former could approach the latter only asymtophically.
Between the two an unbridgeable space, except in the Sacrament.

[RobbyS]

Near-sightedness, really. They think in terms of probability. The DNA says that the person I know to be my mother is 99.*% certain. Their best measurements prevent them from knowing truth.

[kosta50]

Jewish apostates, ha! Kettle calling the pot black.

Could you not have made it more apparent what believers are expected to do? that you may do it ~ that is, preach the word of faith.

Read verses 12-14 again.

[caww]

That no physical cosmology (big bang/inflationary model, cyclic, imaginary time, multi-verse, ekpyrotic, etc.) can explain the beginning of real time

Just curious...but doesn't memory also have to do with time? ......point A. to B. and most measurable things require the memory to discern time.

[kosta50]

Insult? What would you say if I called your posts “grotesque”, as the other poster does, or if I called you “contrarian”?

[kosta50]

You throw a person out of "worship services" for no possible fault of his or hers, and then expect the same person to attain salvation. What then is the use of the said "worship services" or even the congregation if salvation can be attained outside of it? What use are congregations, or churches, even, in that case?

What use is the prayer for the sick...if you are already "saved"? Why go through the motions and not just let God's "will be done"?

[James C. Bennett]

Isn’t it amazing how a weak case is first made for a deity, and then fantastically self-contradictory bridges are built around that case to their deity of choice? All the while keeping the paradox of their “unchanging” deity causing spectacular change at a finite moment, unresolved.

As was said earlier, it’s theology of the fringes, and with that, we’re full-circle back to where this whole debate began.

[kosta50]

That's what philosophers and scientists engage in continually. Until they come up with something that explains or solves the equation. And they duel with equations, looking for errors in others and their own, leading to new out-of-balance or unexplained observations, and the process continues. It's how the fields of inquiry work, a major part of the process

Sure, I agree. However scientists don;t know what's ahead, so they keep searching. The people of faith have the answers supposedly revealed to them. They "know" God, they have the "mind of Chest". They are lead by the Holy Spirit; they know they are "saved" and destined to heaven. What further purpose could be behind their inquiry?

[kosta50]

Such a god will know the reason for his non-belief, as well. If not, that god isn't a real god

I love when they resort to scary tactics...like it's safer to believe so I will make sure I believe, just in case...

[kosta50]

Chest=Christ

[caww]

What, in your mind is faith? and also belief?

[allmendream]

Australopithocine was an extraterrestrial?

Come on! What are the chances that two independent lines of life would form genetic DNA that is 98% the same?

There is a great deal of evidence of our ancestors from the last few million years.

There are only two explanations for why we and chimps are so similar, related by DNA changes that would correlate to us having a recent common ancestor some six to seven million years ago, and lo and behold three million years ago we find a very human like bipedal ape.

Just coincidence?

How would you explain the similar pattern of ERV insertions shared between humans and chimps, more similar between those two than chimps and gorillas.

Do you think chimps and gorillas shared a common ancestor? Or were they too extraterrestrials?

[kosta50]

Isn’t it amazing how a weak case is first made for a deity, and then fantastically self-contradictory bridges are built around that case to their deity of choice? All the while keeping the paradox of their “unchanging” deity causing spectacular change at a finite moment, unresolved

I just want to know what was God doing when he wasn't creating. I doubt I will get an answer.

[kosta50]

What, in your mind is faith? and also belief?

Faith is trust. Belief is an assumption.

[James C. Bennett]

The moment something changes what it was doing (or not doing) is the moment it ceases being changeless, and therefore ceases being timeless.

The moment of creation is such a moment. For the creator and the created. This is the unresolved paradox.