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Vatican to America: ‘Social Justice’ is About Relationships, Not Socialism
David Horowitz's NewsReal Blog ^ | Jan.14, 2011 | Lisa Graas

Posted on 01/15/2011 9:00:09 AM PST by Rhonda Robinson

Peter Cardinal Turkson, President of the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, has a message for Catholics in America, particularly those involved in social justice ministry, that could put a damper on the political machinations of the Shadow Party.

The message? “Social justice” is about “relationships,” not “socialism.” This clarification may very well be the catalyst to set the Catholic Church in America back on course with authentic Catholic teaching on hot-button issues involving massive government entitlement programs and other forms of overreach. If nothing else, it will almost certainly jump-start the “social justice” debate among Catholics. Cardinal Turkson, you see, is scheduled to deliver the plenary address at the 2011 Catholic Social Ministry Gathering in February.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: socialjustice; vatican
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1 posted on 01/15/2011 9:00:11 AM PST by Rhonda Robinson
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To: Rhonda Robinson
This clarification may very well be the catalyst to set the Catholic Church in America back on course with authentic Catholic teaching

The problem is that those leading congregations down the social justice path aren't doing it without full knowledge of their goals. Its no more accidental here than it was when they did it in the soviet union.
2 posted on 01/15/2011 9:07:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Rhonda Robinson
???????????????????????

The sky is not blue,,,, its azure. Why does religion talk sideways?

3 posted on 01/15/2011 9:08:13 AM PST by MrPiper
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To: Rhonda Robinson

“Social justice” is a phrase coined by Marx. Any ‘useful idoit’, as Lenin called them, softening this idea for easy soap sales, should be brough to the limelight of Truth.

Religious backgrounds do not matter.


4 posted on 01/15/2011 9:12:43 AM PST by Prussianone
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To: cripplecreek

Isn’t that the truth. I remember pushing a pastor on this issue and no matter what I said, he kept taking the socialist line... finally, I told him.. he’s choosing the Dark Side. He didn’t like that much.


5 posted on 01/15/2011 9:12:43 AM PST by Track9 (Make War!!)
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To: Rhonda Robinson
The message? “Social justice” is about “relationships,” not “socialism.”

It's about time the Church says this!

6 posted on 01/15/2011 9:16:18 AM PST by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: Rhonda Robinson
from the article: The encyclical outlines Pope Benedict’s plan for "integral human development" in economics, society and politics through the principles of charity and truth.

sounds like socialism to me..........

7 posted on 01/15/2011 9:23:06 AM PST by MrPiper
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To: Track9

There’s no such thing as a collective relationship with God. Collective salvation is the siamese twin of social justice and is a road to damnation.

In my opinion, collective salvation gives the false impression that socialism saves all souls which in turn leads to the false beliefe that we aren’t responsible for our own soul. If the state has your back, what need is there to be moral?


8 posted on 01/15/2011 9:24:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Rhonda Robinson

The bad and good of the Roman Catholic Church:

It is very large and very organized in it’s unsubstantiated and bigoted claim of being “the one true faith.”

It is very large and very organized in it’s vigorous opposition to secular evil in the world.

All in all,I’m glad we have the Papists—especially the Irish kind.


9 posted on 01/15/2011 9:25:39 AM PST by Happy Rain
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To: Rhonda Robinson
Social justice” is about “relationships,” not “socialism.”

The libtard idea of social justice is expropriation of wealth from the haves for redistribution to the have nots so that they can have a guaranteed minimum income.Even the socialist libtard philosophers such as Mortimer Adler openly call it socialism.

10 posted on 01/15/2011 9:25:59 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: painter

Semantics.....did you see Beck talkinging about how propaganda morphed to public relations?


11 posted on 01/15/2011 9:26:12 AM PST by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Rhonda Robinson
Thanks for the posting. I, for the life of me. couldn't understand why some pastors were going down the path of socialism. It didn't work for the earliest Christians and it certainly doesn't work now!
12 posted on 01/15/2011 9:30:06 AM PST by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: Rhonda Robinson

Tagging for later perusal


13 posted on 01/15/2011 9:30:41 AM PST by TonyInOhio ( Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.)
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To: Rhonda Robinson
'Social justice' as it the term is used today is a con game used by the clever to advance their personal wealth and egos, and by the ruling class as an instrument to destroy trust. In fact, when successfully applied, 'social justice' destroys a great deal more than that. It is a linchpin in the process of dehumanization, a process that plays into and feeds upon the the aims and desires of will to power driven monsters - the killers without conscience running the show in the White House today. Monsters and motives aside for the moment, the chief problem with 'social justice' is that it is based upon a defective notion of human rights. 'Human rights,' after all, are the chief argument made by its advocates for the imposition of social justice and the redistribution of wealth. Chantal Delsol, in her landmark Unlearned Lessons of the Twentieth Century argues that, in order to avoid conflict, what she calls 'modernity' has reduced the the concept of rights to the merely biological and the material. This is a low-rent way for the self-righteous to assert their moral superiority, as it neatly dodges - and in fact destroys - the larger questions of individual human dignity and aspirations. As Delsol puts it:

"And yet... what is left of man if we take away his territory, culture, his religion, his ideals of liberty and justice, and even his dreams of utopia and glory?... By devaluing our place and dreams, movements and thoughts, passions and desires, in order to spare ourselves from defending them at the cost of our blood, we reduce the subject to defending his last little possession - specifically, his blood, his body and the comfort that goes with them. If he cannot feel a connection to his culture in the broad sense, both in time and space, and therefore cannot see himself as responsible for it and serving it, man is no longer anything more than a Sapiens with strong emotions (explains the fundamental infantilization that is the hallmark of the Left, doesn't it? --Ward).

As I see it, modernity, as Delsol defines it has striven to achieve not so much as the Neitzschean 'transvaluation of all values' as the devaluation of all values. The great irony is that it has left the latter to the will to power driven monsters and the former to those whose job, witting or not, is to reduce us to chattel. Each serves the other; one knowingly, the other, not. To sum it up, the cause of human rights has been thoroughly corrupted by three distinct forces - those who seek to defraud and self-aggrandize; those who gather under its banner to serve their own malignant narcissism and to effect revenge and retribution; and finally those who use the the previous two types to effect their control over mankind. It isn't misguided. It is evil.

14 posted on 01/15/2011 9:31:51 AM PST by Noumenon ("We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged.")
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To: bmwcyle

ping


15 posted on 01/15/2011 9:39:19 AM PST by theKid51
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To: cripplecreek

When clearly stated, as you have, it’s a point readily understood. In the pastor’s case, my impression was his confusion came from a misplaced desire to be liked or appreciated and continually overrode rationality on this point. I attributed this to his lack of backbone. But that’s just my opinion. Needless to say, he is leading people astray so I had no reason to back down.


16 posted on 01/15/2011 9:43:05 AM PST by Track9 (Make War!!)
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To: proudtobeanamerican1

Edward Bernays, the father of public relations.

Not everything he did was bad but he was still a progressive who manipulated the public. Joseph Goebbels used Bernays methods to create the impression of the greedy and sneaky Jew. In fact the bulk of nazi propaganda was right out of Bernays “Crystallizing Public Opinion”.


17 posted on 01/15/2011 9:48:11 AM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

Well stated, being generous and kind is up to the individual, and voting Democrat doesn’t make one like Mother Teresa...


18 posted on 01/15/2011 9:53:17 AM PST by Son House (Every Moment of Everyday, You Can Make A Difference!)
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To: Noumenon
the devaluation of all values.

Including the concept of justice itself.

Social justice is justice with the blindfold taken off, in other words, not justice at all.

19 posted on 01/15/2011 10:01:34 AM PST by denydenydeny (Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak-Adams)
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To: Rhonda Robinson

bttt

Encyclical of Pope John XXIII, On Establishing Universal Peace In Truth, Justice, Charity, And Liberty, April 11, 1963

“Man’s personal dignity requires besides that he enjoy freedom and be able to make up his own mind when he acts.

In his association with his fellows, therefore, there is every reason why his recognition of rights, observance of duties, and many-sided collaboration with other men, should be primarily a matter of his own personal decision.

Each man should act on his own initiative, conviction, and sense of responsibility, not under the constant pressure of external coercion or enticement.

There is nothing human about a society that is welded together by force.

Far from encouraging, as it should, the attainment of man’s progress and perfection, it is merely an obstacle to his freedom.”

“Hence, a regime which governs solely or mainly by means of threats and intimidation or promises of reward, provides men with no effective incentive to work for the common good.

And even if it did, it would certainly be offensive to the dignity of free and rational human beings.”

“Consequently, laws and decrees passed in contravention of the moral order, and hence of the divine will, can have no binding force in conscience, since ‘it is right to obey God rather than men.’”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2287244/posts?page=4#4

3 posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 2:25:31 PM by Matchett-PI (”The Role of Government is to Secure Our Liberty, Not to Seize It” ~ Rush 6/26/09)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2389225/posts?page=3#3


20 posted on 01/15/2011 10:34:31 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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