[CynicalBear]

Irenaeus tells us John wrote Revelation in the mid 90sAD which totally destroys the view of those that say all prophecy was fulfilled by 70AD. Irenaeus studied under Pollycarp who was John’s desciple. Yet they scoff at those of us who understand prophecy.

[Quix]

Irenaeus tells us John wrote Revelation in the mid 90sAD which totally destroys the view of those that say all prophecy was fulfilled by 70AD. Irenaeus studied under Pollycarp who was John’s desciple. Yet they scoff at those of us who understand prophecy.

!INDEED!
!TO THE MAX!
--for a list of reasons--

[ReformedBeckite]

Most and many theologians believe in the later date of Revelation only because they have been told it is a fact, like you've been told Revelation was written in the 90's or later and it is a fact. Does a majority of people make something true, no it doesn't. There is a small minority of people that believe Irenaeus statement or statements are taken out of context or misquoted or Irenaeus made unknowingly false statements, I can't remember how their arguments go but they sound pretty good to me. These same people believe that Revelation was written several years pre AD70., I hold to that belief and will continual to hold to that belief until some one can show me differently.

Never the less to base one's theology or his foundation of his theology on what the church fathers said is bad theology, good theology stands on it's own outside of what the church fathers said.

Use of the church fathers statements to further argue your beliefs, but don't use them to build your foundational beliefs, use them after your foundational beliefs are founded. I remember studying the seventh day Adventist arguments for the Sat worship from a historical point of view, they quoted several old church fathers from several early centuries to get their point across, I was convinced they were right, shortly after I shown differently, that they had misquoted the Church fathers and taken them out of context. That work that shown me differently was Walter Martin's book "The Kingdom of the cults" Now whether the Seventh day Adventist quote the church fathers correctly or incorrectly is beside the point that I really want to make, and that is if you can't argue your premillennialism view point outside of quoteing church fathers you have already failed in your theology or your search for the truth. Foundation Premillennialism needs to be built on the scripture it self, not church father statements. Same goes for the Postmillennial view point.

[topcat54]

Irenaeus

Irenaeus is not infallibly inspired. Neither are his interpreters. I wouldn't want to be handing my anti-theology on the writings of men.

[The Theophilus]

Irenaeus tells us John wrote Revelation in the mid 90sAD which totally destroys the view of those that say all prophecy was fulfilled by 70AD

So who are you accusing of being a Full Preterist, or did you just overextend yourself by saying "all prophecy" and meant "most prophecy"?

FYI, Realized Millennialists put the Olivet Discourse as an immediate fulfillment in 70AD and we don't need an early dating of Revelation to maintain the claims. So you think you dinged the Full Preterists by claiming Irenaeus, as if that was your best argument; (there are much better arguments than that to support a late date) it doesn't leave Chiliasm in any of its forms as the last one standing.

[daniel1212]

I do not doubt you, but could you give me the quote from Irenaeus

[daniel1212]

Sorry. I found it in post http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2657209/posts?page=31#31