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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Predestination was the accepted position of the early church. It was simply assumed that God's providence ruled the world, as Scripture tells us.

You really don't know, do you? Until Calvin, nobody in the world thought that God predestined men to hell.

The belief wasn't challenged until the rise of gnosticism in the fourth and fifth centuries when Pelagianism seeped into the church. To combat that error, Augustine articulated a sound defense of God's predestination in his "Treatise of the Predestination of the Saints."

You really don't know, do you? Gnosticism predates Christianity and was brought into it almost immediately until it was declared heretical.

Your quotes do not show predestination to hell. We acknowledge predestination of the saints (or individuals anyway) to heaven. We do not acknowledge predestination of individuals to hell. And Thomas Aquinas does not offer an argument for it.

3,001 posted on 02/02/2011 7:18:51 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
You really don't know, do you?

lol. Mark, you write with great authority.

And it's all your own.

3,002 posted on 02/02/2011 7:21:02 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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