[MarkBsnr]

one of the greatest errors of the church in Rome is that it literally denies the Holy Spirit in the lives of Christ's sheep. Instead Rome says the Holy Spirit works on the church, which then in turn works on its members. By arrogantly inserting itself between God and men, Rome effectively denies the personal, individual work of the Holy Spirit within us.

That is what I am seeing as well, though it's often framed in many different ways and from as many differing resources..the bottom line is they all same the same thing and looks like this is where they stood.. and remain even to this day.

You may wish to get your eyes checked. This is not the teaching of Christ's Church. In spite of everything we've posted, you guys still come up with this twaddle?

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But Mark the catholics I know do indeed believe that it all must pass thru the church and their teachings...I have yet to meet one catholic who knows more than attendance at Mass and none know the scriptures. They don’t understand what “relationship” with Christ is about...let alone the Holy Spirits workings in their life. It’s all about ‘practicing catholicism’. So yes, those I’ve met do believe it all comes thru the church.