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To: MarkBsnr; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; ...

I pointed you to a thread that explains very well what I believe.

That is the essence of the message. THAT is what is going to get me to heaven.

I realize that Catholics have a hard time when not in control. Believe me, I know.

There seems to be this constant, compulsive need to compartmentalize everyone so they know just where they’re coming from and what to expect out of them. Maybe that need to control is what gives them so much trouble in simply accepting eternal life as a free gift, and rather adding their own good works to it to *help*. They can control their own good works. it makes them feel in control.

Depending completely on God means relinquishing control.

A large part of the reason I refuse to *give up* information to be more specific is the anticipated reaction on the part of Catholics. I’ve seen how snottily, condescending they are to someone who gets their non-Catholic doctrine *right*, IOW, it happens to agree with Catholic doctrine.

So what if there’s area of agreement? That does not mean I am on my way *back across the Tiber*, that I am then by default, admitting that everything else the Catholic church teaches is true and right, or that I accept, by default again, that the Catholic interpretation of the whole body of Scripture is correct.

Plus, there is simply that independent side of me that resists being categorized and labeled, or manipulated. I am not a crowd follower.

I have made it quite clear what my position is on salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone. And I’ve been equally clear on the authority and sufficiency of Scripture alone for the believer. I don’t need to claim denominational affiliation and quote theologians to validate those beliefs.

For all the marshmallow and coward insinuations, I still have not been manipulated into providing what it is apparent that Catholics wish to hear out of me. Not the soft squishy characteristics of a coward or marshmallow.


1,585 posted on 01/20/2011 6:05:35 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

That’s all anyone wanted to know.

If you are interpreting and reading for yourself, that’s what you are comfortable with, and believe that right now you need to do this, that’s fine.

That’s all you needed to say. Not location, not particulars, just what you did.


1,591 posted on 01/20/2011 6:22:43 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: metmom
I pointed you to a thread that explains very well what I believe.

A thread? Interesting. And not doubt you will deny whatever on that thread you happen to dislike in a manner of obfuscation. I post what I believe, and I post links to the documents that I believe. I am not a coward.

I realize that Catholics have a hard time when not in control. Believe me, I know.

I don't believe you. This is not about control; it is about truth.

Depending completely on God means relinquishing control.

And? I don't see your posts showing that you relinquish control to God. I see them as hoarding the control to yourself.

I have made it quite clear what my position is on salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone. And I’ve been equally clear on the authority and sufficiency of Scripture alone for the believer. I don’t need to claim denominational affiliation and quote theologians to validate those beliefs.

You have made many unChristian and antiChristian claims over the recent past, including a repudiation of the Nicene Creed and the Gospels. Interesting way to show faith through Christ alone.

For all the marshmallow and coward insinuations, I still have not been manipulated into providing what it is apparent that Catholics wish to hear out of me. Not the soft squishy characteristics of a coward or marshmallow.

I will ask for an apology from you for this. You were not part of that conversation nor a subject of it, and you have no right to intrude upon it in this fashion. It was not about you and it speaks volumes upon your character that you assume it.

1,600 posted on 01/20/2011 7:08:00 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: metmom

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!:::


I pointed you to a thread that explains very well what I believe.

That is the essence of the message. THAT is what is going to get me to heaven.

I realize that Catholics have a hard time when not in control. Believe me, I know.

There seems to be this constant, compulsive need to compartmentalize everyone so they know just where they’re coming from and what to expect out of them. Maybe that need to control is what gives them so much trouble in simply accepting eternal life as a free gift, and rather adding their own good works to it to *help*. They can control their own good works. it makes them feel in control.

Depending completely on God means relinquishing control.

A large part of the reason I refuse to *give up* information to be more specific is the anticipated reaction on the part of Catholics. I’ve seen how snottily, condescending they are to someone who gets their non-Catholic doctrine *right*, IOW, it happens to agree with Catholic doctrine.

So what if there’s area of agreement? That does not mean I am on my way *back across the Tiber*, that I am then by default, admitting that everything else the Catholic church teaches is true and right, or that I accept, by default again, that the Catholic interpretation of the whole body of Scripture is correct.

Plus, there is simply that independent side of me that resists being categorized and labeled, or manipulated. I am not a crowd follower.

I have made it quite clear what my position is on salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone. And I’ve been equally clear on the authority and sufficiency of Scripture alone for the believer. I don’t need to claim denominational affiliation and quote theologians to validate those beliefs.

For all the marshmallow and coward insinuations, I still have not been manipulated into providing what it is apparent that Catholics wish to hear out of me. Not the soft squishy characteristics of a coward or marshmallow.


1,609 posted on 01/20/2011 11:09:18 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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