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The Not So Secret Rapture
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| W. Fred Rice
Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54
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To: topcat54
3. Elect infants, dying in infancy, are regenerated, and saved by Christ, through the Spirit, who worketh when, and where, and how he pleaseth: so also are all other elect persons who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word. (chap. 10)
Put together they certainly deny the view that you quoted. Even Augustine was fallible.
They believed elect infants were regenerated in utero and, thus, didn't require baptism. When regeneration precedes faith, you can make anything happen.
To: Dr. Eckleburg; topcat54
“But there’s always been only ONE people of God - those who have been saved by grace through faith in either the coming of or the arrival of Jesus Christ.”
Absolutely. My view entirely. We will all be one people. But the promises yet to be fulfilled for the Jewish people remain.
“God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?” Numbers 23:19
To: metmom
So say you. I do not believe that. Anyone can claim anything on the internet.
1,103
posted on
01/19/2011 12:23:13 PM PST
by
Judith Anne
(Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
To: metmom; topcat54
I was baptized a Catholic and grew up a Catholic.All my extended family is Catholic.I have relatives who were/are clergy in the Catholic church.
Same here!
The only conclusion I can come to about FRoman Catholics is that as a whole, is that they are way out of touch with mainstream Catholicism.
Exactly. Either out of touch or knowing it but denying it.
Im not anti-Catholic. My heart goes out to those still trapped by the deception peddled in that church in the name of Christ. I want to see them set free.
Same here! I would still be in it, if a former Catholic didn't show me the errors of their teachings. After all, it was all I knew.
Im anti-Catholicism. I oppose the telling of false doctrine as truth that the Catholic church engages in.
Exactly! I'm PRO WORD. It is The Word that set me free. It's ALL about JESUS, The Word. Praise God!
To: aruanan; The Theophilus; RJR_fan; Dr. Eckleburg; Lee N. Field; ReformedBeckite
When regeneration precedes faith, you can make anything happen. But regeneration does precede faith (in the ordo salutis), otherwise saving faith would be impossible (its a gift, you know). You have to be made alive before you can hear Christs words and walk out of the tomb. Only the (regenerating) power of the Holy Spirit can make (spiritually) dead men alive.
1,105
posted on
01/19/2011 12:52:10 PM PST
by
topcat54
("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
To: Judith Anne
“I do not believe that. Anyone can claim anything on the internet.”
These life-long ex-Catholics are remarkably ignorant about Catholicism.
To: topcat54; metmom
Is that in the Bible, or did you read it on a fortune cookie or something?
1 Cor 6:19 'Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
1 Cor 6:20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body'.
To: metmom
I was baptized a Catholic and grew up a Catholic. Ditto.
All my extended family is Catholic.
Ditto.
Im anti-Catholicism. I oppose the telling of false doctrine as truth that the Catholic church engages in.
Sure, but stretching the truth?
I still do not understand how, in your world, drinking and smoking get written up alongside adultery and sodomy as great sins of Roman Catholicism. Why not add j-walking?
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posted on
01/19/2011 12:59:54 PM PST
by
topcat54
("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
To: topcat54; metmom
A drunkard cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Let alone be shepherds. Smoking is a drug addiction.
1,109
posted on
01/19/2011 1:01:51 PM PST
by
1000 silverlings
(everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
To: cinciella; Dr. Eckleburg
Absolutely. My view entirely. We will all be one people. But the promises yet to be fulfilled for the Jewish people remain. All the promises to the Jewish people involve salvation in Jesus Christ and inclusion in His one true body, the Church. They will return to the faith of their father Abraham. There is no greater blessing awaiting any people, Jewish or otherwise, than recognizing Messiah and shouting, "Hosanna to the Son of David! 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!' Hosanna in the highest!" Its been going on now for 2000 years.
And it wont take a rapture to make it all happen.
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posted on
01/19/2011 1:05:04 PM PST
by
topcat54
("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
To: 1000 silverlings; metmom
A drunkard cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Let alone be shepherds. Smoking is a drug addiction. Abuse of anything, including sex and food, is always to be avoided. But merely engaging in an otherwise adiaphora activity is not sin. Smoking (moderate tobacco use) is no more of a drug addiction than eating a slice of peach pie. Just ask the Pharisees who were condemned by Jesus for this sort of legalistic view.
Mixing truth and error will never get you to where you need to be.
1,111
posted on
01/19/2011 1:10:09 PM PST
by
topcat54
("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
To: topcat54
right, if it’s not an addiction, try quitting
1,112
posted on
01/19/2011 1:12:37 PM PST
by
1000 silverlings
(everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
To: topcat54
No, that event will be the fulfillment of Zech. 12 & 13, and Rev. 1:7, when the hardness & blindness is removed from the Jews, they recognize their Messiah Jesus, repent and are re-grafted into the vine.
To: presently no screen name; metmom
1 Cor 6:19 'Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 1 Cor 6:20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body'. Yes. And? Moderate use of all things not condemned by God can be a great blessing, and honoring to God. Binding ones conscience to the non-biblical restrictions of others is problematic.
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posted on
01/19/2011 1:16:47 PM PST
by
topcat54
("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
To: OpusatFR
These life-long ex-Catholics are remarkably ignorant about Catholicism. So far, they're amateur ex-Catholics. None that I see good enough to be a pro.
1,115
posted on
01/19/2011 1:20:54 PM PST
by
Judith Anne
(Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
To: cinciella
the hardness & blindness is removed from the Jews, they recognize their Messiah Jesus, repent and are re-grafted into the vine. You mean as opposed to the run-of-the-mill Jews that this happens to every day? Some special time
another day of salvation
after the rapture
of the Church
with all these other run-of-the-mill Jews?
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posted on
01/19/2011 1:27:28 PM PST
by
topcat54
("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
To: 1000 silverlings
right, if its not an addiction, try quitting If its not an addiction why would you need to quit?
I consider myself a moderate tobacco user. On occasion I smoke pipes, cigars, and cigarettes. I sometimes go weeks even months without using any of these things. (I went about 20 years at one stretch without using any tobacco.)
One cigar or 2-3 cigarettes a day is my usual practice. In fact right now I havent had a smoke since early Fall. Ill probably start up again when the weather breaks. I enjoy it. Its one of Gods blessings.
Is that an addiction in your world?
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posted on
01/19/2011 1:34:29 PM PST
by
topcat54
("Dispensationalism -- an error of Biblical proportions.")
To: topcat54
I am also a moderate tobacco user. I smoke between 5-10 cigarettes per day, except when I’m busy, or if it’s inconvenient. No doctor has ever suggested I quit.
1,118
posted on
01/19/2011 1:39:45 PM PST
by
Judith Anne
(Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
To: topcat54
“You mean as opposed to the run-of-the-mill Jews that this happens to every day? Some special time
another day of salvation
after the rapture
of the Church
with all these other run-of-the-mill Jews?”
Yes.......that’s what it says in..........the Bible.
To: topcat54
Interesting.
Does God consider one sin worse than another?
Who made up the artificial designations of categories of sins?
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posted on
01/19/2011 1:53:18 PM PST
by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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