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To: Zuriel

Something isn’t true because it’s old, but in this case for a doctrine to be true, it must have been taught by the Apostles and understood and taught by the successors of the Apostles. What you believe is not orthodox, historical Christianity. The Apostles taught and the Church has received the doctrine of the Trinity. Can you trace your concept of God thru the centuries. If the Jesus was correct, the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church, where was your non-trinitarian church in the 2nd century? how about the 5th century? 8th century? Seems to me you hold to Cambellism, which was started in the 19th century.


106 posted on 01/09/2011 12:21:42 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Thank you for your comments. I will try to answer them in my limited time.

**Something isn’t true because it’s old, but in this case for a doctrine to be true, it must have been taught by the Apostles and understood and taught by the successors of the Apostles.**

Not only should it have been taught by the original apostles, it must agree with what was taught TO the original apostles; hence my pointing out the many passages from John.

Here’s a thought to ponder: Why is the term ‘God the Father’ found in scripture, but the term ‘God the Holy Ghost’(Spirit) not; and why is Jesus Christ never referred to as ‘God the Son’, but ‘the Son of God’?

Maybe you would like to offer an explanation on the following as well:
In nearly every epistle’s greeting, of the churches he helped to found, Paul mentions ‘God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ’. Two things stand out in those greetings: They don’t say ‘and God the Lord Jesus Christ’; and not only is there no ‘and God the Holy Ghost’ phrase, the Holy Ghost is mostly left out of those greeting verses (kinda ignoring the ‘third person’ at times).

**Can you trace your concept of God thru the centuries.**

Well, his Word is still here, just like he said it would be.

**If the Jesus was correct, the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church, where was your non-trinitarian church in the 2nd century? how about the 5th century? 8th century?**

I believe His church has always been the “few there be that find it”. Years ago, I recall reading about a particular RC mission work in central Europe during the dark ages, where they met an illiterate, unwarlike people, some of which could quote entire books of the Bible. Who they were, I haven’t a clue (they probably weren’t writing history books for the local public school system, that’s for sure).

Jesus Christ never was extremely popular when he talked of putting God’s will ahead our own, and even less when talking of faithfulness resulting in divided families.

We are aware that the Devil knows the scriptures better than any of us. He’s had a very long time to see it develop and continue.

My question to you, concerning claims to church history and preservation of the Word, is this: With Satan being capable of transforming himself into an ‘angel of light’, and also his ministers transformed into ministers of righteousness, what line (even taking credit for preserving the Word) will he not cross to deceive?

I’m certainly convinced of one thing; Satan didn’t dilly-dally even one day after the shocking sight of Pentecost.

Good evening, and God bless.


146 posted on 01/09/2011 6:41:48 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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