[Hieronymus]

You seem to be the only person interested in Rome’s sovereignty or the loss of it.

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Cardhu brought it up (you can follow back from 334 if you so desire), and you and one other were happy to cheer him on, finding the subject worthy of comment (though perhaps you may not have known what you were commenting on). Then, when confronted with actually reading the treaty, which doesn’t support the anti-catholic historical position that it was alledged to, everyone looses interest. It is easier to loose interest than to face the fact that the position was lost. Sorry you aren’t interested in defending what you lauded.

In 1933 Pacelli knew full well of Hitler’s intentions toward the Jews, controlled the only possible oposition to Hitler, and so had the power to hand Germany over to Hitler? Was everyone else stupid or were they just powerless, or is the Pope superman? As early as 1933 all the non-Catholics had caved, leaving only the Pope to stop Hitler, and he failed. Perhaps yoit may be agued that all evil is the fault of the Pope because you believe that he has the power to stop all evil and doesn’t exercise it. Rather than saying “the devil made me do it” just say “the Pope didn’t stop me from doing it.”

Still, this is a distraction from Pius XI—did the Vatican accept sovereignty from Mussolini or did Mussolini recognize what was officially granted by Charlemagne, effectively possessed since the time of Gregory the Great (590), and never surrendered?

It’s not Bush’s fault—it’s the Pope’s fault for not stopping Bush.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Pacelli was not alone. But others who were guilty have...wait for it...admitted their sins and asked for forgiveness!

Unlike Rome which, through various deflections and tangents brought on by RC apologists, STILL has yet to admit any wrong-doing.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

did the Vatican accept sovereignty from Mussolini or did Mussolini recognize what was officially granted by Charlemagne, effectively possessed since the time of Gregory the Great (590), and never surrendered?

Mussolini made a treaty with the Vatican whereby both laid down their animus against each other and thus, both benefited. The Vatican stopped criticizing fascism (how handy for the fascists) and Mussolini stopped threatening to expropriate church property.

As is Rome's way, if you leave it alone and cede the mind-raping education of children to its priestcraft, Rome is nominally satisfied and won't criticize your fascist/socialist/communist/nazi regime (take your pick.)

To associate this treaty with Charlemagne and Gregory the Great just sets this political accommodation back at an earlier point in history.

Read Machiavelli. Rome's playbook for centuries.

Pacelli simply followed the Vatican blueprint when he became the false bishop of Rome and the Nazis came knocking. Like Pius XI before him, Pacelli accommodated the Nazis. Leave our schools open and we won't criticize your habit of slaughtering millions of Jews.

Apparently Rome is unaware that when you make a pact with the devil, the devil wins.

Or maybe it's just a handshake between old friends.