Posted on 01/03/2011 10:40:41 AM PST by RnMomof7
On January 3, 1521, Pope Leo X issues the papal bull Decet Romanum Pontificem, which excommunicates Martin Luther from the Catholic Church.
Martin Luther, the chief catalyst of Protestantism, was a professor of biblical interpretation at the University of Wittenberg in Germany when he drew up his 95 theses condemning the Catholic Church for its corrupt practice of selling indulgences, or the forgiveness of sins. He followed up the revolutionary work with equally controversial and groundbreaking theological works, and his fiery words set off religious reformers all across Europe.
In January 1521, Pope Leo X excommunicated Luther. Three months later, Luther was called to defend his beliefs before Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at the Diet of Worms, where he was famously defiant. For his refusal to recant his writings, the emperor declared him an outlaw and a heretic. Luther was protected by powerful German princes, however, and by his death in 1546, the course of Western civilization had been significantly altered.
That is an oversimplification.
And it was Henry VIII, AFTER he broke with the Catholic Church, who had him executed.
No, William Tyndale was persecuted because his translation was in English and because it has proven to have been more accurate than previous Latin works.
This is settled and documented historic fact. Of course, I appreciate that you find fault with this as it flies in the face of dogma. I imagine you also have an axe to grind against astronomers who tell people that the earth is not the center of a perfect universe.
I wouldn’t mind having an excommunication letter from the RCC.....
lol. Yeah, the “trinity” of Rome, Mary and any old pope.
Apparently your grasp of historical fact is as flawed as your grasp of theology. Tyndale was not burned at the stake by the Catholic Church, he was executed by the Holy Roman Empire, a completely secular organization.
Further, Tyndale was not convicted for translating the Bible into English, he was convicted of heresy, and was first charged with heresy three years before he actually produced his bible.
—Martin Luther is to the RCC as Sarah Palin is to the liberal/elitist Establishment.Discuss.—
Ok, let’s discuss. It’s an abysmal analogy. Let’s take England, because I know the situation there a little better than Germany. In England, it was very much the Establishment, via Henry VII and Cranmer, who enforced Protestant theology at the point of the headsman’s axe, when often you had the common folk rise up in a grass roots Catholic resistance. To wit, in York and in Cornwall:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrimage_of_Grace
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_Book_Rebellion
I’m sure similar examples can be found on the continent in the regions that were ceded to Protestant princes.
It’s a pretty sure bet in human nature—that once the Rebels become the Establishment, they suddenly take a very dim view of rebellion.
Repent for what? Taking on the catholic church of 1521 or critiquing their errors is a sin now? Laughable,,, What he did was very similar to Christ clearing the temple. VERY similar.
Comparing Luther to Christ? Now THAT is laughable.
If the link wasn’t good enough for you, perhaps you need to read the encyclical itself.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_14031937_mit-brennender-sorge_en.html
Not many people are publically excommunicated, but even fewer have encyclicals directed against them, and exactly one has had an encyclical directed against him in the vernacular of his own country—sui generis treatment isn’t good enough for you?
Faith alone, Grace alone, Scripture alone. Which of the three alones is the one that I alone need, or is it pick any one of the three?I think your private interpretation of the phrase is wrong in that Farmer was not asking anyone to pick just one.
Maybe he can explain. My 2 cents are Salvation is by Grace alone, thru Faith alone, in Christ alone.
BTW: How did they know which of the 3 popes was the infallible one?
I wouldn’t mind having an excommunication letter from the RCC.....
I'll type you up one if you like.
Kind of a weird point to make, since another commenter pointed out that the other claimants were antipopes. It’s also weird because papal infallibility wasn’t Catholic Church dogma until 1870.
While I hope and pray that my love ones 'believed' I do not see how I can intervene in their outcome now that they have returned to the Maker. I do not find any instruction wherein it is required of me to pray for the 'salvation' of those that have returned home. IF this was the case old Luther would not still be the subject of hate and contempt by so many who preach a 'social justice' gospel.
Our founders were filled with wisdom few denominations have, The Creator bestows unalienable rights of 'life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness that no man/government can give or take... Not sure why anyone would ever consider they can usurp this authority and why whatever happens between anyone individual and the Heavenly Father can be nullified.
Personally speaking I see NO proof old Luther was a heretic. Of course I am not a student in Luther but I sure cannot get all wrapped up about who flesh people condemn as heretic. Christ said not to judge lest we be judged. I also personally consider old Teddy and Nancy the Red to be far more ministers of the darkside than anything old Luther ever did or said. So far as I can find only the devil by name and a few of his fellow travelers have been judged to eternal death. And NO I have no way of knowing who else will choose to join them when that day of judgment comes.
Rest assured the Religion Forum is not a safe haven for those who seek to regurgitate false anti-Catholic sound bites. Errors will be pointed out.
The Spanish Inquisition was conducted by the secular Spanish government, not the Catholic Church. It had made not being a Christian synonymous with treason because it undermined the royal rule by divine right of kings. It was also done to root out the vestiges of Sharia law following 700 years of Muslim rule.
Pacelli Germany over to Hitler with the demise of the Catholic Center party and the Enabling Act.
Had Pacelli not read "Mein Kampf?" Did not his "faithful companion" and Bavarian German nun and assistant for 40 years not translate Hitler's clear intentions to him?
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It's noon prayer & communion somewhere...
No, William Tyndale was persecuted because his translation was in English and because it has proven to have been more accurate than previous Latin works.
The Church had no problem with Copernicus.
Do you, like Galileo, hold that the sun is the primary cause of the tides and that this must be held as proof of the heliocentric solar system, and that all must unquestioning submit to Galileo’s interpretation of Scripture?
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