Retread, or not,
Your absurdities should fit in quite well
with the Rabid Clique RC's on FR.
Posted on 01/03/2011 10:40:41 AM PST by RnMomof7
On January 3, 1521, Pope Leo X issues the papal bull Decet Romanum Pontificem, which excommunicates Martin Luther from the Catholic Church.
Martin Luther, the chief catalyst of Protestantism, was a professor of biblical interpretation at the University of Wittenberg in Germany when he drew up his 95 theses condemning the Catholic Church for its corrupt practice of selling indulgences, or the forgiveness of sins. He followed up the revolutionary work with equally controversial and groundbreaking theological works, and his fiery words set off religious reformers all across Europe.
In January 1521, Pope Leo X excommunicated Luther. Three months later, Luther was called to defend his beliefs before Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at the Diet of Worms, where he was famously defiant. For his refusal to recant his writings, the emperor declared him an outlaw and a heretic. Luther was protected by powerful German princes, however, and by his death in 1546, the course of Western civilization had been significantly altered.
Its always sad to see when posters like you are willing to subordinate the truth to your hatreds.
no hypocripcy here at all. if you say “sola scriptura” is true, show me from the Bible. no Catholic is silly enough to say because the term isn’t contained in the Bible, the belief can’t be true. We can all name examples of this, the Trinity for one. Catholics teach what the Apostles taught and practiced, Divine Revelation and Authority was given to the Apostles to teach and members of the Body of Christ ( the Church ) were to believe and continue their teaching, whether the teaching was received by letter ( Scripture ) or word of mouth ( Tradition )St Paul says this explicitly in the Bible. The Catholic Church from it’s foundation never taught sola scriptura, no one did until the 16th century. For example, the Church received the doctrine of infant baptism from the Apostles. When St. Andrew taught and practiced infant baptism, the Church continued this practice. When every local Church compared what they received from the Apostles, there was an amazing discovery, they all practiced and received the same doctrine!! This is because The Holy Spirit was leading this Universal Church to Truth. It was in comparing what the Church received as True by Sacred Tradition, that the Church knew what books of the Bible were canonical, and which were spurious. It is the supreme irony of life that the proponents of sola scriptura actually honor Catholic Sacred Tradition when they use the 27 book NT. If the early Church believed there was no authoritative Church to decide such doctrines, the 30,000 current denominations may be 30,0000,000 by now and there certainly would not be one Bible, but hundreds or thousands. But thankfully, Jesus prayed in John 17 that His followers be one, and the Holy Spirit has ensured that prayer has been answered. We no longer must be swayed by every wind or private interpretation of Scripture. But, we live in an age where mens pride causes them to believe doctrines unknown to the Church for 16 centuries. I can’t understand it, it’s a scandal in the eyes of the unbelievers and is the root cause for the success of the cults.
Have no answer, eh?
So what about it? What ever happened to *once a Catholic, always a Catholic* until you either request to be removed or the Church ex-communicates you?
Show us where Hitler requested it.
And explain why the Catholic church took action against Luther and not Hitler.
By your very own reasoning, didn’t Luther ex-communicate himself anyway? Then why did the church see the need to formalize it?
And how do you know that the revelation is of God and not Satan or men? What is it held against for a measuring rod?
It also seems highly unlikely that the Church is of men, in that nothing so badly run that has been of men has lasted this long—one Pope, I believe Pius VI, responded to Napoleon when Napoleon said that he would destroy the Church “You silly little man, if we and our priests haven’t managed to destroy the Church in 18 centuries, what makes you think that you can do it.”
2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
When and why did the Catholic church decide that Paul was wrong and that Scripture wasn't good enough on its own?
They managed to get all the other personal pronouns correct in their translation, did they not?
Because there are many more men than women in the Bible, context usually leaves the masculine as the only logical option. A close reading of the OT that would identify the passages where possible masculine and feminine antecedents are both present accompanied by a study of the earliest manuscripts would be interesting, though in the end, following the teaching of the Church, I would argue that either reading may be used so long as each is spiritually profitable—scriptural passages are capable of multiple levels of meaning, and I believe that God chose an extremely flexible language as the first medium of revelation precisely in order to facilitate such a rich text.
Happy Excommunication Day Martin!
Dr. E, you are spot on.
the catholic church decided sola scriptura was wrong when St. Paul told it in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 “So then, brethern, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter”.
You see, the Holy Spirit knew at some point in history, men would come along and attack the Church by claiming some doctrine is not contained in the Bible and so, St. Paul was moved to pen these words. No clearer refutation of sola scriptura could be had. But the again, Jesus said “This is My Body” and you choose to believe He meant “This represents My Body”. Am i wrong?
Once they “let go” [of the wafer] as you put it, they are no longer interposing themselves. Ok, I think I’ve got it now.
Christians who have ditched the sacraments and kept the Bible, when it comes to John 6 and eating the Body of the Lord, are like people who have kept a menu while leaving a restaurant. It is beautiful that you appreciate the menu, and in many cases appreciate it more than those who remain in the restaurant, seldom or never glance at the menu, say only “I’ll have the regular” and may not even appreciate the “regular” at all, but it is still only a menu, and those who insist that no one approach the restaurant are imposing themselves between potential eaters and the main dish far more than waiters, many of whom are annoying and have bad manners, but still serve up the main dish.
I will remember you at prayer tonight when I take my shift before the Blessed Sacrament in our church’s adoration chapel. My Greek NT will be with me, but far more wonderful will be having the creator of the universe, as described in my first paragraph, present about four feet away from me with only a thin pane of glass and air between me and Him. It isn’t on the same level as receiving Holy Communion, but the two activities feed eachother.
“Another tree was planted and it remains to this day”
2,000 years ago the Church was planted and remians to this day. ( although i am pretty sure we are witnessing the great falling away that will precede the end of this age )
Care to relate any of these and how you would know they were apostolic?
2,000 years ago the Church was planted and remians to this day. ( although i am pretty sure we are witnessing the great falling away that will precede the end of this age )
And that church was the Orthodox! Just ask em. Or maybe the Oriental church.
Below are the examples
of exalting other deities.
They are real.
They are serious.
They are owned,
operated in,
manifested in,
heart-felt wallowed in
by millions of Roman Catholics around the world.
Pretending otherwise does not change the facts.
White washing it with magicsterical diplospeak
doesn't change the facts.
Rationalizing it with 101 weasel words
doesn't change the facts.
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Here's the title:
And it carries the official sanctions of:
ni•hil ob•stat
n.
1. Roman Catholic Church An attestation by a church censor that a book contains nothing damaging to faith or morals.
2. Official approval, especially of an artistic work.
WITH RICHARD CARDINAL CUSHING’S IMPRIMATUR
Let me track down the brief portion of quotes upthread . . .
Here they are:
However, as we've seen through a variety of sources--a pile of them in Ferraro's manual about the Rosary--the Roman Catholic et al/Vatican Edifice disagrees with a lot of the claims of RC's hereon to the contrary.
p.32
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[Quixicated emphases below]
Mary is crowned Queen of heaven and earth, dispenser of all graces . . .
p32
4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.
5 - She became Queen of us sinners, to assist us through the dangers of this life and to help us in difficulties.
6 - She became the ruler of hell, that trembles at her slightest gaze and is defeated by her power.
"Just as a rock extracted from earth will precipitate into the abyss, so will man, left without Mary's help, quickly slide toward hell." --Richard of St Victor
p37
Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary! --Partial Indulgence
p41
"Mary is the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast." --Prov. 3:18
p43
1 - "Hail Mary, beloved daughter of the Father, Mother of the Divine Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit, complement of the most august Trinity!"
p45
6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferred upon all others, 'that she might vanquish sin in every respect.'
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[Qx: I guess Christ's vanquishing sin was unnecessary--or ineffectual without Mary's assistance?]
p46
7 - "Mary is the dawn of God because, just as the dawn marks the end of darkness and the beginning of day, so Mary indicates the end of vices and the beginning of virtue."
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[Qx: I guess Christ's conquering on The Cross and HIS conquering trip to hell were unncessary?]
9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.'
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[Qx: I guess Holy Spirit has been relegated to a 'Walter Mitty' role as spouse of Mary? That's SOME POWER to cancel & take over HOLY SPIRIT'S role to draw men to God!]
p47
4 - "Mary, trusting in the word of the angel, destroyed the sin Eve committed by trusting in the serpent.'
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[Qx: Evidently, she beat Christ to the job of vanquishing sin!]
5 - "She desired the safety of everyone, went in search of it, and obtained it; it was also through her that this salvation was wrought."
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[QX: What an unnecessary waste of precious Blood and suffering on THE CROSS!!!/sar]
p47
10 - "As Noah's Ark saved all the animals that entered it, so Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care."
p50
8 - "If she were not so holy as she is, how could God appoint her to be the ladder of Paradise, the advocate of the world, meatrix between HIm and us?"
p50
4 - "By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God."
BTW - The Church can hold to these traditions because it was there to hear the words from the lips of the Apostles. Your church can’t keep these traditions since it was started at least 16 centuries after the last Apostle died and would have no idea what the Apostles taught verbally or expounded on in more detail verbally. Your only recourse is to take the Catholic Scriptures ( that were painstakingly copied by hand over the years by monks ) and attack the Church with it. When you start with the false doctrine of sola scriptura, any teaching is possible i guess.
see post 251.
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