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Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender
from your links.....you stated as follows:
“We are supposed to look for Gods messages by trying the spirits”,....(what spirits?)
...”we will know which is of God because it will testify of Jesus.... (who is the “it” and how do they present themselves?)
...”I have tried the Spirits”...(in what manner do you approach the “it”, do you speak with entity?)
...”to know if they would testify of Jesus and the Book of Mormon, and I have received an answer.” (By what standard of measurement do you use to discern?)
Placemarker
Do you think mormons are going to heaven?
Do you think most humans are going to heaven?
Are you a mormon?
Are you a JW?
Do you think nice atheists are going to heaven?
Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God?
I picked up on that too...time will tell.
Looks like a couple of Toggenbergs, a Sannen and an Alpine.
I will, on the phone now....
His God is better than YOUR God! Are you JW? Mormon? Christadelphian?
You appear to be insufficiently dedicated to arcane dogmatic quibbling.
ATONE!!
Hank
IIRC, it has been pointed out to Delph that a girl who was possessed of a demon kept following Paul around, proclaiming in a loud voice to ... well, it’s in Acts 16:17. Apparently that did not register with the Mormonism mindset that even demonic voices can proclaim truth, if it serves their greater agenda.
Thank you: reaganaut, Godzilla, Tennessee Nana, Elsie, SkyPilot, MHGinTN, caww, and Religion Moderator. 1200 posts! You guys have created an amazing source of truth with this thread. Brilliant, dedicated, funny… I thank God for what you have done here.
DelphiUser and Paragon Defender never had worthy answers to your challenges, and didn’t even try to refute their own religion’s positions. Satan has a great hold on their “church”. No other religion has tried to re-write the truth of Jesus Christ. That is why Mormons are an offense to Christians.
TaraP is correct when saying no one is saved except the Holy Spirit calls them. The problem with Mormons is they are the only religion in the world attempting to re-write what the Holy Spirit has done and said.
TaraP said in post 1,241: “…the Mormons I have heard speak on this thread say they believe and adhere to JOHN 14:6-Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
Yet when Mormons say this to TaraP, the “Jesus” and the “Father” they speak of are not the true God we believe in… Mormons believe their “Jesus” and “Father” are former human beings who lived on a planet, died, and then became god. Our God may try to correct this false belief in Mormons, but if Mormons refuse the truth and urging of the Holy Spirit, these Mormons will go to Hell.
Again, true, TaraP says God has already won the battle against untruth; he does not need our help. However, Jesus has called us to speak truth to the world. Only God’s grace and love allows Mormons more time to listen to the truth.
This is a commonly misinterpreted passage of scripture.
Testing the spirit or what animates someone means to test the man or the man’s word’s or the man’s teachings.
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Or in the case of Joseph Smith, he should have put the “angel” Moroni to the test of scripture, which that demon failed, because “Moroni” testified that the Word of God was not true!
Joseph Smith is one of the false prophets that John is warning that you are to try or test, or put to the test.
Smith and Moroni both testified that Jesus has not come in the flesh, i.e. in D and C or BOM it says that Jesus was SPIRIT when Thomas put his hands in the wounds.
Joseph Smith, false prophet.
“angel” Moroni was an angel, alright. A fallen one — a demon — sent as an “angel of light” to deceive millions into Hell.
To reaganaut and caww and Pastor BR
See post 1274 and please correct me but I have had Pentecostal friends literally address devils and ask supernatural entities “Has Jesus Christ come in the flesh?” as if this is the test of antichrist in John.
I think that is the “magical Christian” way of looking at it. I think John was encouraging us to test the attitudes and teachings of a man to ascertain whether they were of God or not, just as the Bereans “tested the spirit” of Paul when they first heard Paul preach about Jesus.
I notice the Mormon defenders on this site do the same magical thinking about this scripture text as did my luny Pentecostal friends.
As I recall, we went down this same road on the other thread. And my position remains that the issue of "Who God IS" cannot be dismissed with a hand wave.
God's Name is I AM.
Very well said and thank you.
Far too often I see on threads people who think that people will just leave Mormonism without any debate and that saddens me.
There are some who come to the truth on their own, but more often than not there is a two step process - first is extraction (showing the LDS that there are problems and getting them to deal with them and see that the Mormon Church is not ‘true’.
The second step is even more vital but often overlooked - getting them to see what is RIGHT about Christ and bring them to the foot of the Cross, to a saving faith in Him alone.
On here, we deal mostly with LDS armchair apologists and sympathizers. Therefore we are most often in extraction mode. Confrontational and demanding with the truth.
However, as some like SZ will testify, once the extraction begins, our tone softens as we witness the Love of Christ to them.
Sadly, being loving doesn’t work in the extraction part and the salvation part won’t come until they let go of the idea that only Mormonism is the true religion.
For about a decade, I have enjoyed posting here, organizing/attending local FReeps and rallies, and been a donor to FR. I wish I could say I was a more active FReeper over that last year but personal and work-related constraints have limited my time here (including not being able to update the FR Lexicon in 2010...sorry about that).
Unfortunately, a few years ago, when religious issues became a more common topic on FR, I was concerned that it would only lead to a distraction from common conservative principles we all espouse. Thus, I never participated on any of the religious threads. Worse, however, I was worried that it would lead to unnecessary infighting and attacks on very personal issues that would harm conservative efforts and undermine FR's membership. That seems to have happened.
As I've noted on some of the infamous "bug zapper" related threads, this is Jim's site to run as he wishes. You can either abide by the decisions made or simply leave the site. Unfortunately, I now find myself in the latter category. I believe this thread showed very poor handling (by Jim Robinson and moderators, among others) of a subject (personal religious beliefs) which I don't think really should ever have been delved into on FR.
I hope my decision to leave FR will not affect future cooperation on conservative issues (which we all agree on and is a common thread here), as I'm sure we will continue to cross paths at political events. Personally, I look forward to continuing to work with anyone who will further conservatism, especially FReepers and FReepettes!
Finally, for the past several years I've been the caretaker of the FreeRebublic Lexicon (after stumbling into the 'job'). It is available on my profile page at this time. Someone should take over updating it (which is overdue). I have a better formatted text/html copy of the lexicon (much easier to edit and update) but would have to email it to the volunteer.
If Jim and the moderators will allow it, I will check my FReepmail over the next few days and email the formatted lexicon file to anyone requesting a copy (please provide your email address in the message).
Goodbye and good luck,
Batter
Good Luck and God Speed. You have a strong will.
I don’t like the religious bashing, so I stay away from religion forums that do so. You shouldn’t leave. Not sure what has offended you, but you should consider the source and avoid it.
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