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Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender
No one here is going to convince anyone his way is right....why are they bothering?
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You sure about that? I know at least 3 freepers who have left Mormonism, one returned to the Catholic faith of their childhood and two are now Born Again Christians. All because of the Christians on this board who fight the LDS teachings.
Well, that is interesting.
Most Born Again Christians of my acquaintance would regard the one who returned to Catholicism as just as lost as if he had stayed in the LDS.
Hank
Jesus would condemn most religious doctrine, he came to reconcile sinners to a Holy Just GOD, he did not come to debate religious doctrine....
A PARABLE
One day as he was standing admiring this house, he was approached by a very nice-looking gentleman who said to him: "I have noticed you frequently admiring this fine old house. I happen to be the agent for the owner, and I am authorized to sell it, if I can find a buyer." This was, of course, good news to the man, since the more he had looked at the house, the more he wanted it for himself and his family.
The agent took the man into the house and showed him through it, and everything the man saw made him want the house even more. The house was beautifully designed and built, with skill and imagination, in a style which was no longer very popular among most people, but which he and his family had always found attractive. He could picture in his mind how happy and comfortable his family would be there. It seemed that his fondest dream was about to come true. The man bought the house.
Before the man moved his family into the house, he asked the agent about the usual inspections, for termites, dry rot and other possible structural problems. The agent told him that everything had been inspected thoroughly by his staff. "You can take my word for it: this house is sound and solid. It is the finest house in the city!" The man thought for a moment that he should ask to see the inspection reports, but the agent was the kind of person that inspired trust and confidence, and the man had a strong feeling deep in his heart that the agent would not try to deceive him about something so important.
The man and his family moved into their home, and it was even more lovely and comfortable than he had imagined. They invited their friends and relatives to visit them, and they were able to entertain them graciously and hear their guests' praises of their beautiful home.
One evening his brother was visiting. The brother was a meddlesome and sometimes unpleasant person, but the man tried to be gracious to him because he was his brother.
"This is a very lovely old house you have," said the brother.
"Thank you for the compliment," replied the man.
"How is the foundation? Sometimes these old houses have structural problems."
"Don't worry about that," responded the man. "Everything has been inspected and is in good order."
"Who inspected it?"
The man began to get irritated with his brother. "It's really none of your business, but I'll be happy to tell you. The seller's agent had it inspected."
"Did you examine the report yourself?"
This was really going too far, the man felt. But he answered anyway, "I didn't have to. The agent read the reports and told me that they were in order."
"How can you trust the agent that much?" the brother asked, shaking his head.
"I pity you if you have to go through life without trust, without belief, without relying on the goodness of others! Sometimes you just know in your heart that you can trust someone."
The brother said nothing, but got up to leave. "I'll maybe poke around a little outside and look over your foundation. I'm not an expert, but I do have some experience with these things."
"I do not give you permission to go nosing about my house or grounds. You are just looking for something that will give you an excuse to find fault with my home and to spoil my enjoyment of it!"
"I assure you that I am only motivated by my concern for you as my brother. I will not cause any damage." And with that, he left the house.
As he looked around the grounds and examined the house, he had to admit that it was beautiful. But he also knew that paint could hide many problems. Near a corner, in the back, he found a small, almost invisible door that appeared to lead into the basement. It had been sealed shut with a half-dozen screws. He went back inside and asked the man: "Are you aware of the door into the basement which has been sealed shut?"
"Of course I am aware of it!"
"Why is it sealed shut?"
"Because there is absolutely no need for anyone to go into the basement. There is nothing there."
"Have you ever been there?"
"No, of course not! Why would I want to go down there? I'm sure that it's just dank and musty, and there's nothing there."
"I think it would pay to take a look, to check the foundation."
"Absolutely not!" shouted the man. "This is MY house! It is MY basement! I have no interest in going there, and I forbid you to do so! I told you that the foundation has already been inspected. Now please leave me in peace!"
Rather than argue with the man, the brother left. But the sealed door continue to bother him, and the basement which it concealed. A few weeks later, when the brother knew that the man and his family were going to be away for a day or two, the brother took a screwdriver and a flashlight to the man's house and carefully opened the sealed door.
He had to stoop to enter the dark basement. The man had been right: there was nothing down there, except the posts and beams and braces that held up the house. As he crept among them, lighting his way with the flashlight, he noticed that the beams and posts had thick coats of paint. Everything was covered with paint. He took his pocket knife and scraped away the paint in a few spots, and where he had removed the paint, instead of solid wood he found a lacy, delicate framework of worm holes. He scraped away paint from some of the other structural members, in all parts of the basement, and found that the wood fiber was missing in all of them, either having been eaten by worms or termites, or having crumbled with dry rot. He was horrified. Not a single beam or post or brace could be relied on. He wondered what could be holding up the great weight of the house. It seemed to be only the paint which was covering up the rot. He almost imagined he could feel the house settling, having removed the little bit of paint, and he urgently wanted to escape. He found his way to the door, and closed it carefully after he was again in the sunshine. But his mind was troubled.
As soon as the man and his family returned, the brother came to see him. "I have some terrible news for you," he said. He confessed that he had entered the basement, contrary to the man's order. "But I know you will forgive me when I tell you what I found." He then told the man that his entire house was in danger of falling down because of the worms, termites and rot in the structural members in the basement.
But instead of thanking his brother, the man flew into a rage. "You are telling me this only to rob me of the pleasure I have in living in this beautiful house! How can you attack me like this? How can you say such terrible things about a house that is so beautiful? You obviously are my enemy. You are jealous of me because of my house. You have made up these lies with the sole purpose of trying to destroy my happiness and to cast aspersions upon my house, the agent who sold it to me and the people who inspected it and pronounced it sound. Get out! And because you have become my enemy, I never wish to see you again!"
The brother tried to calm the man. "I assure you that I am not your enemy. I am acting only with your good at heart. Why would I want otherwise?"
The man would not be calmed. "You are trying to destroy my love for this house. Therefore you must have an evil motive."
"Please," said the brother. "Come down with me to your basement, and I will let you see with your own eyes what I have found."
"I am not interested in seeing anything that you have to show me. You are obviously such an evil person that you would stoop to any level to deceive me into believing your lies. You have probably planted phony evidence in my basement. You would twist and misinterpret anything I found so that it would appear to support your filthy lies about my house. No! I will not go into the basement with you! I don't care about your delusions, and I don't have the time to humor you."
The brother was puzzled by the man's obstinacy. He couldn't understand why he wouldn't at least look in the basement himself. Perhaps, by replacing the beams, or by taking other measures in time, the house could be saved. But if nothing was done, the house would surely collapse, sooner or later, perhaps injuring someone.
Seeing that he could not help, the brother left, sad that he had been unjustly labeled an "enemy."
In spite of the man's confidence in the soundness of his house, his brother's words did trouble him for a few days. Finally, he could no longer resist the temptation, and he took a flashlight and crept through the small door into the basement. He looked around and saw where his brother had scraped the paint away to expose the fragile, rotten timbers.
He was furious! Why had his brother done this? He went upstairs to a cabinet and got a bucket of paint and a brush, and carefully repainted all the places that his brother had scraped away. "There!" he said, as he screwed the door back into place.
He decided that he would not tell his wife and family what had happened, because it would only disturb them and spoil the love and pleasure they enjoyed, living in such a beautiful house.
--Richard Packham, 1995
That is what I was commenting on.
Yes, Jesus would condemn mormonISM.
Oprah is a mormon?
Or you are an Oprah fan?
Have you read what JESUS said about Boasters????
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
WHAT ABOUT KINDNESS?
Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
WHAT ABOUT REVELORS?
Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God
WHAT ABOUT WHO WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM?
Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
You asked:
What’s an Osmond...
I found one and posted it....Guess you were focused on Oprah.
Do you know the difference?
Give a list of those that you think ARE Christians?
Do you actually think...men should give all their wealth..to the poor to follow Christ? Do you understand that scripture?
What are you attempting to gain here?
13And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
14And they talked together of all these things which had happened.
15And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
16But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
17And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?
18And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
22Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre;
23And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive.
24And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not.
25Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
28And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
29But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
30And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
31And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
32And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
33And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them,
34Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
35And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread. (NOT from any BURNING!)
OK, you addressed what happens with a man. He is allowed multiple wives in the next world, but what if I’m a Mormon woman and I am widowed and remarry. Let’s say I die at a very elderly age and have had a total of 3 husbands on this world, who gets me in the next? Do I have any choice in the matter?
I consider Catholics my brothers and sisters in Christ. Are there some who are lost and unsaved? Sure, but there are unsaved Baptists and Methodists as well.
Would I have preferred the one who returned to Catholicism to become a Born Again Christian? Sure and I pray for that. But I do also know some “Born Again Catholics” and even a few “Pentecostal Catholics”?
Jesus would condemn most religious doctrine,
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You sure about that? Jesus had some definite ideas on doctrine and teachings.
He didn’t NEED to debate it. There is only one correct teaching regarding Christ and the LDS don’t believe it. We aren’t talking minor nitpicky differences we are talking about the LDS preaching a different gospel than Christ and preaching a FALSE CHRIST.
Seriously, read up on LDS doctrine and teachings. You will change your mind about them.
I spend much time witnessing to Atheists and young teens who do not know GOD and Jesus Christ’s message of Salvation..
I spend time witnessing to homosexuals about Sin and Salvation and how GOD can overcome anything and everything where Man cannot..
I do not get into strong arm debates with organized religion and those who follow a certain denomination....
Strife and division is not what Jesus came to do....
If the Bible is true, Mormonism is false.
If Mormonism is true then the Bible is false.
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Galatians 1:7-10
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15
14. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. Revelation 13:13-15
13. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14. And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
It appears that EXPERIENCES can be deceiving...
If one believes the Bible is correct, then, by that Standard, Mormonism fails the test.
If, however, you are convinced that the Bible is either in error, been corrupted or mis-interpreted, then you are free to believe whatever you wish.
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And yet...
Revelation 3:16
So because thou art lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spew thee out of my mouth.
Apparently you've never read much about J. Smith...or had much religious interaction with modern day mormons.
That's fine...I know many young folks such as yourself.
I know some satanists that are respectable, and commmited family folks...Some atheists that are decent, and conservative,...And some so called Christians that are liars and cheats.
Peel the onion sometimes...and you will see a rotting on the inside.
FRegards,
Yes I have. I don’t boast in my works, Mormons do though. I boast in Christ alone.
I can be kind. It is not kind to knowingly let someone go to hell without telling them the truth. You can love someone straight to Hell, dear.
AFA who will enter the kingdom, that has nothing to do with works for salvation. The will of God is that we believe that is all. Do you think we need to keep the law to be saved? are works required.
I am very concerned about your ‘love fest’ with the LDS since you know nothing (by your own admission) of their teachings.
Does the phrase “Whited Sepulchers” mean anything to you? It is a perfect description of Mormons. Spiritually they are dead.
Again, before you jump on their bandwagon, read the links I posted earlier.
OK, but do you acknowledge that there is a significant portion of born-again protestants who do NOT consider Catholics Christians? It isn’t a small fringe element, either. I know them. In my aquaintance, among serious believers I’d say a majority.
I have no beef with it. But my wife’s Catholic and these peopoe have no qualms telling me she isn’t Christian and all the reasons why. For the record, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. I appreciate people who stand on principle, however unpleasant it may be for some to hear.
But again, I could point you do probably a dozen people I know personally who will tell you that you are mistaken to believe Roman Catholics are Christians.
Hank
Here’s a ‘Mormon Mission President’ speaking at an ‘Islamic Ummah Awards Ceremony’....giving Muhammed a standing ovation. ...... So we have the LDS.Org reporting this unity with Islam as well as the Islamic News. There’s more out there but this and my prior post gives an idea.
DALLAS (Texas, USA), Dhul Qadah 1/Oct.9 (IINA)-
Barry Smith, president of the Texas Dallas Mormon Mission, lauded the contributions of Muslims to Western civilization before ‘an enthralled audience’ at the 2d Annual Ummah Awards.
President Smith ‘declared’ that.... it was “through Muhammad that ‘truths’ were brought to earth for all of mankind.”
This declaration became a rallying cry that took on the cadence of a mantra prayer as..... he said over and over again that ......“a great light and truth came through the Prophet Muhammad.”
He quoted from Genesis 12, 15:5, and 16...... and showed how the coming of the Prophet Muhammad was in fulfillment of Scripture and God’s promises to Hagar and Ismael.
Smith then... enumerated many good things which came from Islam... which is the religion founded by the Prophet Muhammad to show that the revelations received by the Prophet must have come from God.
DALLAS (Texas, USA), Dhul Qadah 1/Oct.9 (IINA
http://www.iina.me/english/news.php?go=fullnews&newsid=836
Did Jesus change the sabbath Day?
Did Jesus do away with the Jewish Festivals?
What doctrine do you follow?
Christ Declares The Hebrew Canon The Word of God.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Here in the above verse, Jesus divides the written word of God into three categories. The Hebrew Bible, known by the acronym TaNaKh, has these three divisions, first the Torah, the first five books of Moses, second the Nevi’im or Prophets, and third the Ketuvim or Writings.
Christ was appearing to the disciples shortly after His resurrection and He was expounding to His disciples on the testimony of the scriptures about Himself, from one end of the Bible to the other. From the beginning at Moses; next to the prophets; and then on to the last division that began with Psalms; Christ explained from the Hebrew Bible, the TaNaKh, how it revealed Him to be the Messiah.
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