That is what's so frightening when ministering to those folks. They do believe they "KNOW" Him....and that these so called spiritual experiences confirm such...when in fact they are believing a lie....a masquarade and counterfeit experiences, which to them are very real...and they 'believe' they are real. Therefore you are battling a "belief" just the same...even though it's not reality.
Also** he that does the will of my father,** it seems we can and should approach The Father as we would our own father who loves us Unconditionally. Jesus turned all to His Father, so that we can pray to him without fear. I don't think Jesus ever said, you must come to me first than to the Father...He broke the wall that kept us from His Heavely Father so we could approach with love and humility, not demanding but assured that Our Heavenly father hears our prayers...and answers them in the way best for us...
I may be misunderstanding some, but it is as if we approach Jesus to ask our Father. He taught us to pray the Our Father and to approach father as we would our own good father on earth...love, respect, humility, not as a bragging child that expects to get everything he wants just because he wants it.....But we are to ask in Jesus name, that puts the period to the fact that we approach via Jesus.
Plese point out my error, I would be interested to knowing it...
Perhaps those that were told by Jesus I knew you not, were not doing the will of the father, but what they felt would be get them a free ticket into heaven....
I alway remember its the Father that makes out the invitations, not even Jesus as its His Wedding..And the bride has been given to him by his Father...
Doesn't Jesus say no one comes to him unless the Father draws them to him and they then belong to Jesus...
I read some of these threads and they just confuse as each see's things differently..
Don't confuse what I am writting as putting Jesus our of the loop, but it seems some are putting the Father out of the loop. And Jesus didn't do that...
Just as some of the threads I find confusing, some will probably find my confusing. sorry about that, its the best I can do....