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To: Quix
I find that most Protestants do not understand veneration, because they do not see the nature of Worship in its fullness.

[3] And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
[4] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
[5] His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
KJV John 2:3-5

And neither do they have a full concept of intercession.

What do Protestants do to honor the memory of the Mother of Jesus, especially during Christmas time? She who carried in her womb the Son of the Most High? Do they thank God for her and for His design that through her the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us?

[48] For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. KJV Luke 1:48

81 posted on 12/18/2010 11:00:51 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (I pledge to support Boehner's opponent in the 2012 Republican Primary for the 8th District of Ohio.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

I think you are correct on both counts.

Add in the loss of the full knowledge of the Communion of Saints among some outside the Church and it explains the incapacity to comprehend veneration, prayers, and communion with the Saints in Heaven.


82 posted on 12/18/2010 11:05:21 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

What do Protestants do to honor the memory of the Mother of Jesus, especially during Christmas time?

Not much, really, and that could well be a mistake that many Protestants don't take into account. However, the more recent song "Mary, Did You Know?" is a tender acknowledgement of her role in the birth of Christ. I also realize that many Catholics did not appreciate it.

85 posted on 12/18/2010 11:17:58 PM PST by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall; Quix

***I find that most Protestants do not understand veneration, because they do not see the nature of Worship in its fullness.***

There is a very very fine line between veneration and worship.

Walk into an ancient temple of Zeus or Baal and ask if the statue is their god. They will say that the statue is merely a representation of the higher power they worship. When they honor the statue they honor what it represents.
This is exactly what some here on FR have said concerning statues of Mary and the Saints.

When Cortez conquered the indian tribes of Mexico he destroyed the representations of their gods and told them idol worship was forbidden. He replaced the idols of stone and wood with a (i)doll representation of MARY.

Then he fell down and prayed to who his statue represented. To the UNbelievers he appeared worshiping his “god” while denying them the same to worship their “gods”.

1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

If it appears to others you are “worshiping” a doll (even though you are merely ‘venerating’ who it represents)then you should cease!

How a good thing went wrong...

Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

2Ki 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan.

and then this...

Jdg 17:1 ¶ And there was a man of mount Ephraim, whose name [was] Micah.

Jdg 17:2 And he said unto his mother, The eleven hundred [shekels] of silver that were taken from thee, about which thou cursedst, and spakest of also in mine ears, behold, the silver [is] with me; I took it. And his mother said, Blessed [be thou] of the LORD, my son.

Jdg 17:3 And when he had restored the eleven hundred [shekels] of silver to his mother, his mother said, I had wholly dedicated the silver unto the LORD from my hand for my son, to make a graven image and a molten image: now therefore I will restore it unto thee.

Even though this GRAVEN IMAGE and MOLTEN IMAGE were dedicated to the LORD GOD with a Levite as priest look at
what Hosea had to say about it.

Hsa 4:17 Ephraim [is] joined to idols: let him alone.

Hsa 4:18 Their drink is sour: they have committed whoredom continually: her rulers [with] shame do love, Give ye.


182 posted on 12/19/2010 1:07:52 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
And neither do they have a full concept of intercession.

34 Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

In lieu of the above scripture, why would you need Mary as an intercessor. I ask this in genuine curiosity and have asked on other threads, but have never had a response?

God Bless

183 posted on 12/19/2010 1:13:11 PM PST by Vegasrugrat
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