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To: D-fendr

Your assertion would be more valid if it was not for the following passages:

19 Then his mother and his brothers came to him, but they could not reach him because of the crowd. 20 And he was told, “Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see you.” 21 But he answered them, “My mother and my brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it.”

Mark 6:3 “3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.”

Matthew 1:24-25 - “When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, but knew her not UNTIL she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.”

As for the reformers or any other “church leader”, they are all human so I will put my faith in Gods’ word.

God Bless


245 posted on 12/19/2010 5:49:21 PM PST by Vegasrugrat
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To: Vegasrugrat
But, do you believe this discovery of those passages appear suddenly over a millennium and a half into the history of the Church?

The errors of "brothers and sisters of Jesus" is discussed earlier in this thread, I believe with a link provided. I can look for it - or others - again, if you wish. But I'll focus on another aspect:

Either these passages that you say mean Mary gave birth after Jesus are newly discovered or newly interpreted into something no theologian of the Church - and none of the leaders of the Reformation - saw. Or they were very aware of scripture and held that Mary was ever-virgin.

I think it strains credulity to think these men were unschooled in scripture or interpretation.

No, the scripture never meant Mary gave birth to anyone other than Jesus, the modern innovative exegesis of some notwithstanding.

As for the reformers or any other “church leader”, they are all human so I will put my faith in Gods’ word.

As you are human, you are putting your faith in your interpretation.

For me it is clear that without the Church, we have have no authority but ourselves. Remove the Church and you remove all authority but yourself. And your authority is no greater than any one else's.

This leaves us at an impasse, each his own authority, each claiming truth - which is impossible as this case illustrates. And this shows the wisdom of Our Saviour in establishing His Church as the pillar and foundation of truth.

thank you very much for your courteous reply. God bless...

247 posted on 12/19/2010 6:13:28 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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