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To: BenKenobi

How can she be our mother when we’re created by God? The verse you quote doesn’t come close to affirming that.

No, she would not have to be able to hear anyone. She’s not omniscient, nor is she omnipresent. Only God is. Only God hears/answers prayers. No one else. Certainly not a creature like us.

I read the prayer. And at least you now affirm it’s a prayer to Mary. Now I would still like to hear and understand your dissonance (another big word for you there, narses) concerning prayer to Mary. You’ve spent quite a few posts trying to convince me that Roman Catholics do not pray to anyone other than God. But, this prayer that narses posted is a prayer to Mary.

Which is it?

Hoss


557 posted on 12/18/2010 4:34:21 PM PST by HossB86
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To: HossB86; BenKenobi; narses

http://fratres.wordpress.com/2007/12/31/the-universal-spiritual-motherhood-of-mary-mary-has-universal-spiritual-motherhood-by-pope-john-paul-ii-general-audience-92497/

In saying that Mary is “a mother to us in the order of grace” (cf. ibid.), the Council stresses that her spiritual motherhood is not limited to the disciples alone, as though the words spoken by Jesus on Calvary: “Woman, behold your son” (Jn 19:26), required a restrictive interpretation. Indeed, with these words the Crucified One established an intimate relationship between Mary and his beloved disciple, a typological figure of universal scope, intending to offer his Mother as Mother to all mankind.

On the other hand, the universal efficacy of the redeeming sacrifice and Mary’s conscious co-operation with Christ’s sacrificial offering does not allow any limitation of her motherly love.

Mary’s universal mission is exercised in the context of her unique relationship with the Church. With her concern for every Christian, and indeed for every human creature, she guides the faith of the Church towards an ever deeper acceptance of God’s Word, sustains her hope, enlivens her charity and fraternal communion and encourages her apostolic dynamism.

3. During her earthly life, Mary showed her spiritual motherhood to the Church for a very short time. Nonetheless, the full value of her role appeared after the Assumption and is destined to extend down the centuries to the end of the world. The Council expressly states: “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she gave in faith at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the Cross, until the eternal fulfilment of all the elect” (Lumen gentium, n. 62).

Having entered the Father’s eternal kingdom, closer to her divine Son and thus closer to us all, she can more effectively exercise in the Spirit the role of maternal intercession entrusted to her by divine Providence.


566 posted on 12/18/2010 4:51:57 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: HossB86

The same way you are my brother.


600 posted on 12/18/2010 5:31:09 PM PST by BenKenobi ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." -Tolkein)
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