ROFL..........
Apart from completely ignoring #172 and not giving me a straight yes/no answer to an earlier, question, yeah.
Why is Rome so intent on creating a man-centered cult of Mary worship? What exactly is the frenetic interest in lifting up an ordinary young woman any more than say, John the Baptist (who after all baptized the Creator of the Universe) or Jacob (who after all wrestled with an angel) or Jonah (who spoke with God directly)? And, look at all of the Catholics around here, they all speak prayers to Mary in their taglines and when they comment on something related. The believers pray to God...the Catholics to Mary. Hmmm.
Right. Let's change the subject from the inconvenient words of Luther, Calvin and Zwingli which the thread addresses and instead, get back to more comfortable ground.
Oh, but don't worry. We'll have ample opportunity to discuss those issues which you raise. I have some nice writings from the early Church Fathers which provide some sound theological insights into Marian devotion. I'll be posting them and now I know how interested you are in the subject, I'll be sure to ping you to them and you can entertain us all by telling us that Irenaeus, Ignatius, John Damascene and Jerome et al. were all heretics.
Now back to the subject of this thread.
I thought you'd jump at the opportunity to tell us who was the first reformer to repudiate blasphemous words like this from Luther;
" "She is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God ... It is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God."
One of your pals tried to tell me that Luther later recanted those words but I'm still waiting for a reference or link to back up that statement. Maybe you could provide it.
While Luther held that belief, it didn't have sufficient Scriptural warrant to be held as doctrine of the 'Lutheran' church. Confessional Lutheran doctrine isn't based on personal opinion unsupported by Scripture.