“What papal evidence? The earliest writings about it are NON Christian? Have you ever read the Transitus by Pseudo Melito? It is a Gnostic or Collyridian fable sounding more like myths of King Arthur than anything Christian.”
If your assertion has basis we would have seen some Papal reference thereof. Seeing as you would have quoted said Papal evidence if you knew it existed I can only conclude two things.
One, you are unaware of any Papal statement that confirms what you have stated here, or:
Two, such a Papal statement doesn’t exist because your assertion is entirely false.
We as Catholics aren’t bound to accept any of your citation. We are, however bound to accept the proclamation from the Pope. So until you have Papal evidence to confirm your statement, you are wasting your time. Except of course, to preach to the choir.
"Marian worship in the ecclesial community...is based on the will of Christ..."Mary is the path that leads to Christ..." - pope John Paul II, (Vatican Information Service, May 7, 1997)
Further, the only time the words "Queen of heaven" are used in Scripture, it is to describe an idol.
How to papists miss that? Do they read the Bible?
And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?" -- Jeremiah 44:18-19 "But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
And even further, do Roman Catholics read Hebrews?
"(Jesus Christ) being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high" -- Hebrews 1:3
"When He had BY HIMSELF purged our sins..."
Mary does not "share in the work of salvation with her Son" as your popes and your catechism "proclaim."
"Flee from idolatry."
BK: “We as Catholics aren’t bound to accept any of your citation. We are, however bound to accept the proclamation from the Pope. So until you have Papal evidence to confirm your statement, you are wasting your time. Except of course, to preach to the choir.”
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Prayer of Pope Pius XII
In Honor of the Immaculate Conception
http://catholicism.about.com/od/tothevirginmary/qt/Honor_Immacula.htm
Prayer of Pope Pius XII
Enraptured by the splendor of your heavenly beauty, and impelled by the anxieties of the world, we cast ourselves into your arms, O Immaculate Mother of Jesus and our Mother, Mary, confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.
Though degraded by our faults and overwhelmed by infinite misery, we admire and praise the peerless richness of sublime gifts with which God has filled you, above every other mere creature, from the first moment of your conception until the day on which, after your assumption into heaven, He crowned you Queen of the Universe.
O crystal fountain of faith, bathe our minds with the eternal truths! O fragrant Lily of all holiness, captivate our hearts with your heavenly perfume! O Conqueress of evil and death, inspire in us a deep horror of sin, which makes the soul detestable to God and a slave of hell!
O well-beloved of God, hear the ardent cry which rises up from every heart. Bend tenderly over our aching wounds. Convert the wicked, dry the tears of the afflicted and oppressed, comfort the poor and humble, quench hatreds, sweeten harshness, safeguard the flower of purity in youth, protect the holy Church, make all men feel the attraction of Christian goodness. In your name, resounding harmoniously in heaven, may they recognize that they are brothers, and that the nations are members of one family, upon which may there shine forth the sun of a universal and sincere peace.
Receive, O most sweet Mother, our humble supplications, and above all obtain for us that, one day, happy with you, we may repeat before your throne that hymn which today is sung on earth around your altars: You are all-beautiful, O Mary! You are the glory, you are the joy, you are the honor of our people! Amen.
If your assertion has basis we would have seen some Papal reference thereof. Seeing as you would have quoted said Papal evidence if you knew it existed I can only conclude two things.
Pope Gelasius condemned the Transitus Beatae Mariae along with other apochryphal books.
Since the official pronouncements of Immaculate conception and assumption where very recent (150 years?), I assume it was ok to believe or not to believe these before that.
So the Pope is your final authority? Which of the 3 Popes who reigned at the same time between 1378 - 1414 would have been your final authority?