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To: HossB86

“Same with Mary’s supposed sinlessness, Peter as the first pope”

Which is why I’ve argued that Matthew affirms Christ gave Peter the following:

1, authority over the other Apostles,
2, the power to bind and loose.

To be fair you would argue that your intepretation of scripture varies, not that we have not cited biblical evidence in favour.

As for Mary’s sinlessness, ‘all generations hereafter will call you blessed.’ That’s a pretty outstanding claim not else repeated in scripture.


1,091 posted on 12/20/2010 9:13:13 AM PST by BenKenobi (Rush speaks! I hear, I obey)
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To: BenKenobi

“Which is why I’ve argued that Matthew affirms Christ gave Peter the following:

1, authority over the other Apostles,
2, the power to bind and loose.”

Peter was in fact, historically the first to proclaim the truth that Jesus was the Christ; the play on words could be interpreted as Christ would build “my church” on Peter/The Rock. Not the Roman Catholic Church. The Church Universal — ALL who believe on Jesus as their Lord and Savior. But, nowhere in that passage does he set up Peter as a Pope; nor, is there any reference to apolstolic/papal succession. Were you to be fair, you would admit that there is no evidence for what you claim. And, in fairness, we do interpret scripture differently. Protestants attempt to interpret what the scripture says; Roman Catholics who are “vested” with the authority to interpret it seek to interpret it to fit the Roman Catholic Church’s traditions. Along the way, they do get some things right (to be fair).

As for Mary, your cite is absolutely farcical! “All generations hereafter will call you blessed.” Not repeated in scripture? Try the perennial favorite of Roman Catholicism (that I just referenced above) Matthew 16....

Matthew 16:17:
“ 17 And Jesus answered him, e“Blessed are you, fSimon Bar-Jonah! For gflesh and blood has not revealed this to you, hbut my Father who is in heaven.”

So blessedness=sinlessness? By your logic, Peter would have been sinless also; odd, this passage occurs at the start of Jesus’ ministry, before the thrice denial of Christ BY Peter! How could this be???

Also, how about Matthew 5?

2 and he began to teach them.
He said:
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

So: the poor in spirit, the mourners, the meek, those hungry/thirsty for righteousness, etc. are ALL SINLESS. Without sin. They are blessed; Jesus said so!

I believe your reasoning falls flat on this. Your last sentence is sent packing. Mary was sinful; she offered a sin offering; she referred to her son as her savior. Can’t you take God’s Word for truth?

And, by the way — did you ever apologize to roamer_1 and admit to him that you were disingenuous in your attempt to put words in his mouth? I haven’t checked the posts in a while.

Hoss


1,101 posted on 12/20/2010 10:11:19 AM PST by HossB86
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