Posted on 12/13/2010 1:28:49 PM PST by Colofornian
...As many as 15 people who knew...Boise police officer...confessed to molesting babies...face no criminal charges.
...deputies...determined...leaders of...Latter-day Saints congregation that Stephen R. Young attended can’t be charged because of...clergy privilege law.
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...Young turned himself in...March 2... That was about two months after church officials say they first talked to Young about his crimes.
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...Ada County prosecutors say...Steve Nelson sexually abused as many as four children over a 30-year period...Nelson confessed to molesting one child to LDS officials, who learned of the crime from the victim but did not report it.
More than 20 years later, Nelson pleaded guilty...In 2009, the woman he...abused as a preteenager...caught him molesting a 3-year-old girl, according to court records.
Before sending Nelson to...prison...Judge Darla Williamson told him: “I...don’t understand...why the church didn’t require that law enforcement be involved with you. Possibly...we would have at least one less victim.”
...Tim Ryan is serving...probation...after pleading guilty...to...sexual abuse...Detectives say...the case...was dropped when the girl’s family wouldn’t cooperate with investigators. About the time the case was dropped, prosecutors said, the girl met with Ryan and an LDS bishop.
The victim told the Idaho Statesman last week that she had to attend a meeting with an LDS bishop and Ryan where she was asked to forgive Ryan....
“...I was really scared...They wanted me to forgive him. I was 14. I was put on the spot. What are you going to say?”
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...investigators and...prosecutors say Young could have abused as many as 20...victims over a 30-year period... Prosecutors say Young’s victims were infants or babies, 21 months of age or younger...all...family members or children of friends.
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Young’s wife first mentions...LDS Church in a...journal entry...says Young “was relying on (the bishop). He said (the bishop) made a lot of calls to keep him from going to jail.”...
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Just replying to your posts regarding ‘truth’ on their level. Now were you to put forth a thoughtful post, you would receive a thoughtful answer. Were you to even try to substantuate your claims, you would receive even deeper substantiation in return. You want to piddle around with snarky posts - you get what you ask for.
So you are or you are not? It’s hard to tell like I said.
Comparing my posts of truth to your photo shop exercises in antagonism (not based on truth btw) is beyond absurd.
My goal and intent is to bring people closer to Christ. Your goal seems to be to antagonize others and nothing more.
I do love your talent by the way. You make the best horrible photo shop pics I’ve seen in a while.
No, I am not a mormon PD.
Comparing my posts of truth to your photo shop exercises in antagonism (not based on truth btw) is beyond absurd.
You have yet to prove any of your so-called 'truths' PD (you are believing your own press releases again). The absurd is the best way of pointing that out, particularly given the canned spam responses.
I asked if you were Christian. Of course that would include Mormon but I already know you aren’t that. I was curious if you are some other denomination. Like I said, it’s hard to tell
As far as me proving anything goes, I haven’t personally but I have given those who are honestly interested all they need to find out for themselves. You call it canned spam. I call it repeating the truth.
I hope you have a graphics arts job. Your talents are wasted otherwise.
Oh come, come PD. You of all mormons should remember that mormons are the only ‘TRUE’ Christians - all the rest of us are ‘fake’. Therefore, since I am a non-mormon, I am by default a non-Christian as well. So it wouldn’t matter what I told you PD.
Of course you haven’t personally ‘given’ any proof. Neither do your links. Interesting mormon witness though, not interested enough to provide anything personal, just wade through slick propaganda. Did you ever serve a mission PD, probably weren’t too successful if you did and this was your technique.
And exactly how would you know? You've never once provided a specific to begin the dialogue.
I will not waste my time jabbering back and forth with what is little more than a wall that has no intention of listening.
Then why are you even on the forum? You certainly don't add anything of substance. The "jabbering" of which you complain is more often than not reasonable, knowledgable people not accepting nonsense as a response.
The truth about all of the supposed “issues” these FR anti-Mormon gang members is easily found.
To the "undecideds" as you like you like to call them:
Did you notice that once again, Paragon Defender had a chance to present the truth but chose not to? As I stated before, no one on this forum has ever heard the truth uttered from your lips.
More like the "Missionary Brown" 'dialogue' training the Lds church used to give its missionaries. To even call it "dialogue" shows you the kind of social & theological misnomers the Lds church operates under. I mean, c'mon. The 'Missionary Brown' training was canned pre-determined dialogue exchanges.
Tell you what, PD, in that tradition, could you at least next time you post provide an index of your canned "dialogue" exchange packages that we could opt for? (That way at least your canned spam has a bit more of a diverse "flair" to it; and the convos will actually proceed longer than they normally do -- even if they are already 'Bot-programmed).
Sorry Colofornian - 0bama has already co-opted and corrupted the one word you are basing this offer on - HOPE.
Thus two characteristics identify Christians: (1) they profess belief in a Savior, and (2) they act in harmony with the Savior’s teachings. Faithful members of the Church
By the lds definition we are not Christians, so I wonder why he even asked.
I don't know either. Perhaps a failure to read his own links?
Oh come, come PD. You of all mormons should remember that mormons are the only ‘TRUE’ Christians - all the rest of us are ‘fake’. Therefore, since I am a non-mormon, I am by default a non-Christian as well. So it wouldn’t matter what I told you PD.
You are stating falsehoods. While the LDS Church is the only Church that is truly Christ’s with the fullness of the Gospel, other denominations have some of the truth and are certainly also Christian.
Of course you haven’t personally ‘given’ any proof. Neither do your links.
Do any of us have “proof” that we can give another? No that’s why we have faith and why we gain our own Personal testimony. Although I cannot prove that my Church is true, I do Know it to be so personally. That is what has been given to me through the Holy Ghost.
So I agree, my links don’t “prove” anything but neither do anyone else’s including the anti-Mormon babble. My links do however address and explain the myriad of false “issues” brought up time and again by anti-Mormons.
Tell me, do you think your photo shop antagonisms prove anything? Do they bring anyone closer to Christ?
Now. Are you a Christian or not?
I am starting to think you aren’t at all. A professional antagonist perhaps? Getting jollies?
Then why are you even on the forum? You certainly don’t add anything of substance.
If you call truth nothing of substance then ok. Strange concept though.
Did you notice that once again, Paragon Defender had a chance to present the truth but chose not to?
False. I have repeatedly given you and everyone, most importantly the lurker, links to the sources of truth.
And what exactly would you call your posts accusing FReepers of misrepresenting, building strawmen, etc.? You have been repeatedly challenged to prove or remove the assertions yet you persist.
Would that not be considered antagonism PD? Do you think your persitent antagonistic posts prove anything? Do they bring anyone closer to Christ?
The history of mormonism proves out the falsehoods in your posts. JS claimed that ALL were an abomination. How's that for antagonism? JS fired the first shot at ALL of Christianity. He didn't single anyone out. He didn't parse his words or his sentences.
Now you're trying to say we have "some of the truth" and that mormons have it all Sorry, it's not improv night. I'm sure a lot of mormons might not appreciate you throwing ole Joey under the bus like that. He made an "all or none" statement. Afterall, that IS the foundation for your religion. Claim that all others are wrong [apostate and abominable], only we [mormons] have the truth.
Is the "truth" more likely to be that you can dish it out but can't take a helping of it back?
And what exactly would you call your posts accusing FReepers of misrepresenting, building strawmen, etc.? You have been repeatedly challenged to prove or remove the assertions yet you persist.
The assertions are easily addressed at the links provided. My post is 100% accurate. It is not antagonistic for antagonisms sake (like Godzilla’s photo shops), it merely points out truths that the reader can see for themselves, just as I state. The ahah moments will come frequently as they investigate.
JS claimed that ALL were an abomination. How’s that for antagonism?
False. God said they were. This is another non-issue easily addressed at the links provided.
See post 90.
Colofornian in #88 has a good idea. When you respond to us, direct us to these nuggets of "truth" which reside in those sources.
You notice that when I and the other Flying Inmans respond to Mormons about doctrinal issues, a detailed source reference is provided. It is rude and inconsiderate of others' time to simply provide general directions when it is easily within your abilities to provide exact instructions. When we direct Mormons to Bible verses which debunk Mormon claims, we provide specific chapter and verse, not a generic statement that "it's in the Bible, find it yourself." It is basic common decency. You don't want the lurkers to consider us "Gentiles" more than considerate than Mormons, do you?
Come come now PD, don't you read your bom or other scriptures? In POGP smith wrote ". . . and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt . . ." (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 5-6)
As a professor of a non-mormon church YOUR scripture/doctrine states I am corrupt.
Your bom state in Nephi 14:10 and 17 they my church is the "church of the devil" and "the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth"
In "The Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, p. 119, smith said "Third — "Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?"
Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness."
I'm damned for not being a mormon.
"...there is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" ("Apostle" Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 670).
This is just In fact, your opinion (contrary to the demonstrated teachings of mormon doctrine) that there are other "christians" outside the mormon church is but a recent doctrinal spin - post McConkie. So please read your scriptures and historical teachings of your apostles and prophets a little more closely PD, you are askew of orthodox mormon doctrine.
Do any of us have “proof” that we can give another?
Where are all the bom cities PD and the plethora of archaeological effects a civilization described in the bom would have left behind.
No that’s why we have faith and why we gain our own Personal testimony. Although I cannot prove that my Church is true, I do Know it to be so personally.
So do moslems, hindus, hari's, JWs, you name it. Holds no weight. Can't reason your doctrines another way? So what makes YOURS authentic and theirs not?
So I agree, my links don’t “prove” anything but neither do anyone else’s including the anti-Mormon babble.
Glad you admitted to all the truth - THEY PROVE NOTHING. Yet I used your lds sources to see that what you called a falsehood was a truth - go figure.
Now. Are you a Christian or not? I am starting to think you aren’t at all.
You can think what ever you want PD - by orthodox mormon doctrine I am not a Christian.
"I KNOW, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that Jesus is the Christ and Savior of the world. That He died for my sins and was resurrected. I KNOW that I am saved by grace and not by works, and will inherit heaven upon that principle. I also KNOW that God hears and answers prayer. I KNOW all this not only by the feeling I have from the inner witness of the Holy Ghost, but by the reliability of God's Word, the Bible, which declares it to be so. And, I also KNOW that because of my relationship with Christ, Jesus has changed my life and continues to bless me!"
Do you spam posts bring anyone closer to Christ - after all, you've admitted they prove nothing.
Were you there PD? Didn't think so. Prove 'God' said anything to smith, you only have smith's word on that - as well as 9 (nine) different and contradicting versions of that 'event' to go by.
Hey SZ - check this out
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2642055/posts?page=98#98
You’ll see our friend has a problem with his claim of accuracy.
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