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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Proof of the Church’s infallibility
That the Church is infallible in her definitions on faith and morals is itself a Catholic dogma, which, although it was formulated ecumenically for the first time in the Vatican Council, had been explicitly taught long before and had been assumed from the very beginning without question down to the time of the Protestant Reformation.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm


124 posted on 12/11/2010 7:17:32 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: mad_as_he$$; Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Hell did you even read the link you posted? LCS is correct.


125 posted on 12/11/2010 7:24:52 AM PST by svcw
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To: mad_as_he$$

‘That the Church is infallible in her definitions on faith and morals is itself a Catholic dogma’

That is true, in certain limited circumstances, but it is not what you said originally.


126 posted on 12/11/2010 8:02:04 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: mad_as_he$$
The Church's claim on infallibility is limited to matters of faith and morals, and even then, only under certain conditions.

Outside of those particular conditions, there is no claim that any one person is infallible. And certainly, there is no claim at all that any clergy or laity are without sin - there have been many sinful priests, bishops, and popes (to the shame of Christ and His Church) just as there have been many holy ones.

This has been going on since the beginning of the Church: even Jesus chose a Judas Iscariot who betrayed Him, a Simon Peter who denied Him, a Thomas who doubted that He was resurrected - and the other nine weren't without their own shortcomings either.

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But Jesus preached a message of repentance and mercy: Jesus forgave Peter's denial and restored him to the position of feeding His flock; Thomas went on to preach Christ Crucified and Resurrected in India and was martyred for the Faith, and the others went on to preach the Gospel as well. The opportunity is there for people to become great Saints - we simply don't always take it.

128 posted on 12/11/2010 9:49:42 AM PST by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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