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To: Pyro7480
If in deed mary was sinless than Christ did not come for her or save her.

That's not what the doctrine says

I do not much care what your doctrine says..I care what Jesus said

Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

If Mary was sinless he did not come for her or die for her..

Who or what are you calling a "tool of Satan" here?

The doctrine is from the pit of hell...it causes men to take their eyes off of Christ and steals glory from God..just what satan loves

565 posted on 12/06/2010 8:11:50 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: RnMomof7
I do not much care what your doctrine says

Well, if you're going to argue against it, you should know what it actually says, not one of the many straw men against it.

If Mary was sinless he did not come for her or die for her..

That is the doctrine of man, and not of God. God can do with the merits of His Passion, Death, and Resurrection what He sees fit (they happened in time, but their effects exist outside of time), and He decided to apply them to His own mother. So His shedding of His Blood on the Cross did save her. After all, once He expired on the Cross, "the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection, came into the holy city, and appeared to many" (Matthew 27: 52-53). His redemptive act applied to those people who had died before He came into the world.

The doctrine is from the pit of hell...it causes men to take their eyes off of Christ and steals glory from God..just what satan loves

Again, the doctrine of man: the attention on Mary doesn't detract from Christ, but honors Him.

570 posted on 12/06/2010 8:21:04 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: RnMomof7

But you are claiming to know what the doctrine says. You have been corrected several times. It states Mary was saved by Christ. To keep insisting it reads otherwise is nothing but a deliberate provocation. The persistent spreading of falsehoods in order to advance your anti Catholic prejudices is not going to be tolerated by people of good character.


593 posted on 12/06/2010 9:00:47 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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