[MHGinTN]

The problem of conceptualizing all this seems to center on our understanding of Dimension Time. we think it is linear and it is probably a volume. The foreknowledge of God Almighty hints strongly at the volume of Time from His perspective.

It amuses me when someone doubts the virign birth yet believes Jesus rose from the dead by leaving the stone tomb without rolling away the stone and appeared in a room where the doors and windows were locked! Leaving Mary's womb and appearing then in our where/when was no great difficulty for the God to Whom Time is a volume. If these discussions didn't get so nasty with each other (proddies and Catholics ... I'm a proddy, BTW), they would be amusing to follow.

[Grizzled Bear]

It amuses me when someone doubts the virign birth yet believes Jesus rose from the dead by leaving the stone tomb without rolling away the stone and appeared in a room where the doors and windows were locked!

Nobody has argued against Mary's virginity before and during her pregnancy. The disagreement is whether she remained a virgin after giving birth to Jesus.

Also, the stone rolled away from the tomb. One of "the three Marys" saw the open tomb, saw the body was gone, saw Jesus, thought he was a gardener, and asked for Jesus' body.