Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
Thanks for your honest kind reply.
For the sake of Judith ann, I’ll explain. Ridiculous statements invite ridicule.
And to Freedumb2003, it’s not the color of the skin, nor the nation of origin, but the content of character. I hope this makes sense to you . . .
How completely unshocked I am to find that that simple request had no replies....
I agree.
However, it’s
NOT
the most loving thing to do to bother JimRob.
He’s typically rather beseiged with pings and emails and fighting off DOS attacks and legal attacks etc.
Besides that, it’s rather self-defeating. It doesn’t earn one anything and tends to be irritating to the busy folks. Proddys don’t need to be irritating. That’s the Rabid Clique RC’s job.
He has assigned an excellent RM that he evidently has extreme, utmost faith and confidence in and obviously approves of the RM’s management and style greatly.
So, it’s kind of insulting to his judgment to ping him over the RM’s head anyway.
Besides, that’s what the Rabid RC’s chronically do.
Leave them to it. They don’t know when to stop digging.
As you know . . . I fiercely disagree.
I don’t think any authentic Christian argues about what
HOLY SPIRIT
*COULD* DO
*COULD* HAVE DONE!
You are the first Catholic that has publically admitted that its OK to pray TO dead people. At least we have clarity on that point.
Please cite scripture which says everything should be in (as opposed to “should not contradict”) scripture.What is astounding is that the proponents of sola mio forget that we in The Church say that everything we believe should be tested against scripture -- that is the God Standard.
1) If no one is admitting to it, did it ever occur that checking your assumptions might be called for? and 2) the poster clearly defined prayer in his context as a type of spiritual conversation, a two-way steet.
I agree with you that Jesus died to atone for our sins, and that infants are born with that propensity to sin- Catholics call it original sin. It is a state in which we are born, not an act we commit ourselves. I interpret Paul's “all have sinned” as all having committed personal sin themselves; “sinned” suggests action, at least to me; original sin requires no action; you are born with it!
Again, I do not see the logical connection that because babies sometimes die, and the wages of sin is death, that babies are therefore sinners.
The Catholic Church also hopes that unbaptized babies are saved, and entrusts them to the mercy of our loving Father.
The Church knows and teaches that Mary being sinless or not had no impact on Christ's sinlessness -- don't you know that?or
Christ's sacrifice is what won us our salvation, not Mary's sinlessness?
We like to believe that the Holy Spirit is all-powerful and He protected Mary from sin. Mary did nothing great, all of it was from God and by God, all Mary did was say yes, everything else was from God and is for the greater glory of God.If you believe that the Holy Spirit can do this and that this has nothing to do with our salvation (which came from Christ and His sacrifice) and if this doesn't contradict scripture, then quite frankly this is not an argument but just dancing around.
To Rn and Met: Do you think it impossible for the Holy Spirit to preserve a created being like Mary from sin?
I'll take it a step further and say that the Bible says the EXACT OPPOSITE:
[30] Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples, which are not written in this book.[31] But these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God: and that believing, you may have life in his name.
-- John 20:31-31___________________________________________________________
[24] This is that disciple who giveth testimony of these things, and hath written these things; and we know that his testimony is true. [25] But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.
-- John 21:24-25
And keep in mind that the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Blessed Mother are things that JESUS DID, not Mary.
the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of the Blessed Mother are things that JESUS DID, not Mary.God did all of this, Mary's Savior, Our Lord, did this.
I can not speak to the issue of hyper-calvinism at all. If we throw the kitchen against the wall, I pray you seek the face of YHvH in His Holy Word. I know of no one on this board that believes in
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
british-israelism or any of its variants.
may be just may be some thing will stick.
Do they believe that God COULDN'T protect Mary from sin at the moment of conception? He created Adam and Eve free from sin. The third chapter of Genesis and the first chapter of Luke are very important. To be blessed among women MUST mean that the mother of God is superior to the mother of Cain.
Do they believe that God COULDN'T assume Mary into Heaven, the Bible itself shows where others are assumed.
"It is written" When Yah'shua rebuked the Pharisees he said:
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Not really, usually the contortions that a Catholic goes through to justify some of their beliefs through certain Biblical texts leaves me frustrated. I simply meant that it was refreshing to see someone clearly state what I knew all along. I have more respect for this individual than most who merely "beat around the bush."
the poster clearly defined prayer in his context as a type of spiritual conversation, a two-way steet.
When you invent your own definitions, you can slip any side issues in comfortably. By defining prayer as mere 'two-way conversation' without specifying that that person is actually God ... you can justify praying to anyone.
My point is that the poster gets no details of "Jesus wouldn't have commanded Lazarus", or "Jesus prayed to Lazarus" etc. from anything in the text; but rather has imposed his own preunderstanding and his own definition of prayer ONTO the text to make it mean what it does not. Its the classic example of Pauls warning not to exceed what is written.
Many Catholics on these forums claim that they don't actually pray TO dead saints ... but rather ask them to pray for them like you would ask a friend across town to pray for them. We non-Catholics have never seen the distinction in its practical aspects ... and its refreshing to see at least one honest Catholic admit it.
Yes, thank you, I seek God in His Word each Sunday and oftener as I can. Do you?
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