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Was Mary Sinless?
The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; daniel1212; metmom; presently no screen name
You wrote, “Is it possible you really can not understand the scripture?”

I asked my self the same of you and your ilk. Reading your posts is as much much as reading “Ask The Imam” (www.askimam.org). Reading as you twist scripture to represent your worldview is fun and funny.

You speak of abominations...and I go back to Leviticus...next time you hit the hairdresser you are, by your own words, condemning yourself to hell. For Leviticus tells us cutting hair is an abomination. So is eating pork or lobster. Puts an extra meaning into the phrase “a damned good meal.”

You are no doubt a fine imam (imama?) at your madrasa. You wrote, “committing one sin is as offensive to God as violating all of them..” (capitalization and punctuation are important). But frankly, no, a child stealing a pencil and Josef Stalin are not condemned equally to eternal damnation. In your cult, perhaps, but then again that is your cult and your business.

Someone Freepmailed me a quote that I think is appropriate for people just like you: “Scaring old white people for fun and profit.”

741 posted on 12/06/2010 4:56:30 PM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: cva66snipe

They do not know ...sad huh?


742 posted on 12/06/2010 4:56:52 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: shurwouldluv_a_smallergov

Your whole premise is that if one chooses, they can be sinless. You have just placed any human equal to God.

You deny the words of the Bible that state “all have sinned” as not to be taken as literal...all I can say is these are the words of God and to deny them is to deny God.

I use scripture quotes because the Bible is God-breathed and the only absolute truth there is.

Honestly you seem to not be disputing me personally but disputing God and for that I will pray for the Holy Spirit to open your ears and your eyes.

God Bless


743 posted on 12/06/2010 5:01:51 PM PST by Vegasrugrat
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To: Vegasrugrat
That is not comparing baptism with the Jewish practice of circumcising male children, but with repentance, the circumcision not made with hands

Acts 2:38 Repent and be baptized

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

744 posted on 12/06/2010 5:02:15 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Puddleglum; RnMomof7; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; ...
I’m sorry - what entered the world through Eve?

Cain, Abel, Seth.....

What entered the world through Mary?

Jesus

What is the whole Bible the history of? (what is it the history of the loss of and re-acquisition of)? I feel like I am not asking you anything too difficult - honestly, if you have read the Bible and do not see what I am saying, I feel like an English teacher who has the following conversation with a student:

How condescending .....

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—

Romans 5:16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification.

Romans 5:19 For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous.

If you're thinking that sin entered the world through Mary, you're wrong. Scripture is clear that sin entered through the man.

Eve did not do anything that it was Mary's responsibility to rectify.

Jesus is the one responsible for taking care of redeeming the world from sin, not Mary.

745 posted on 12/06/2010 5:02:34 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RnMomof7

I know, I’ve told them that the Catholic bible is one where they scratch out the name of Christ and write in Mary, none of them really ever dispute it, they know it’s true


746 posted on 12/06/2010 5:05:51 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: RnMomof7
"I am saved..how about you? :)"

In spite of our often heated banter I believe you because I believe you are sincere (even if wrong) and that you do live the greatest commandment.

Me, I just hope I am forgiven.

747 posted on 12/06/2010 5:07:52 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: starlifter; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
I asked my self the same of you and your ilk. Reading your posts is as much much as reading “Ask The Imam” (www.askimam.org). Reading as you twist scripture to represent your worldview is fun and funny.

Forfeited the debate, I see.

I invoke Godwin's Law for comparison to islam.

It's the religious equivalent of comparing someone to nazis.

748 posted on 12/06/2010 5:08:17 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedumb2003
READing is fundamental.

Reading with the Holy Spirit is useless.

I can get the Aramaic (although it has been a while) ... But no guarantees. Original Biblical passages in Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek

Again, it's not a certain language you need to be better equipped, it's the Holy Spirit.

1 Cor 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
749 posted on 12/06/2010 5:09:08 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: shurwouldluv_a_smallergov

I am not a Catholic, but was under the belief that Catholics practice infantile baptisms?

From all your quizzing I would ask why does the Catholic church practice it? Or possibly I am wrong on this point.


750 posted on 12/06/2010 5:09:49 PM PST by Vegasrugrat
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To: MortMan
But (from a Catholic point of view), Christ’s sharing of original sin with Mary for 10 months during gestation wouod have tainted him. Therefore, she required absolution from original sin.

It's deception. Jesus walked among sinner, you think sin jumps off of one onto the other? I could blow more holes in it but it's not worth the time - it's been done many times before. Catholics believe The RCC's theory because they were taught it - it's a simple as that.
751 posted on 12/06/2010 5:18:21 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: starlifter

I would like to suggest a bible study to you on the laws of israel ..there were civil laws, ceremonial law and moral law..

Perhaps a study would help sort out your confusion .

I just googles this up for you.. you can start here, because you are very confused .

http://shogiwar.webs.com/Xian_Is_True/3_Types_of_Law.html

The commandments are moral law, they reflect the character of God, and are impossible to keep . The purpose of then is to show us our need for a Savior..because no one can keep them...

It was James ( a catholic favorite) that said breaking one is the same as breaking them all. Not me

God can not stand in the presence of ANY sin, Until men understand how Holy and righteous He is, they will see themselves as good enough ..worthy enough

Maybe in YOUR mind a child stealing a pencil is not equal to stalin...but then we do not have the mind of God ..we do not see things from a spotless holy perspective ...we see sin as it relates to us, not God

How does God look at a lie? Is a lie damning? read Acts 5 1-11

God punishes what we would call a mistake or trivial ...

Uzzah was struck dead for steading the ark.... two priests were struck dead for using the wrong fire...

Until we see our lives as God sees them, we will never really repent..

You know we should be frightened . white or black , or brown.. we should all stand in fear and awe of a holy God that is also a just judge..no one will get probation my friend..

Paul said “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness” (Romans 1:16).

All sin is wickedness to God

Mark 1:14Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Luke 13:3I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all peris

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.


752 posted on 12/06/2010 5:23:38 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: metmom

LOL....


753 posted on 12/06/2010 5:24:24 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: freedumb2003

meant to say ‘without the HS’, obviously.


754 posted on 12/06/2010 5:32:43 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: RnMomof7

“Maybe in YOUR mind a child stealing a pencil is not equal to stalin...but then we do not have the mind of God ..we do not see things from a spotless holy perspective ...we see sin as it relates to us, not God...”

The commandments are even harder to keep than not stealing a pencil as Jesus clarified. Where He explained that even if you don’t ACT on stealing it, but “only” coveting it is a sin. And of course men don’t see it as “equal”, nor should we in our laws, etc. But both keep us apart from God.


755 posted on 12/06/2010 5:42:44 PM PST by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: presently no screen name

I find it interesting that so many get personally vested in proving/disproving points of theological debate that have raged for centuries. I presented my understanding of the reasoning behind the RC teaching, and was soundly castigated for it.

Feel free “blow more holes” if it makes you feel better.


756 posted on 12/06/2010 5:46:35 PM PST by MortMan (To Obama "Kill them all and let [God] sort them out" is an abortion slogan.)
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To: cva66snipe

A woman must learn 18 quietly with all submissiveness. 2:12 But I do not allow 19 a woman to teach or exercise authority 20 over a man. She must remain quiet. 21 2:13 For Adam was formed first and then Eve. 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, because she was fully deceived, 22 fell into transgression. 23 2:15 But she will be delivered through childbearing, 24 if she 25 continues in faith and love and holiness with self-control.


757 posted on 12/06/2010 6:01:41 PM PST by Puddleglum ("due to the record harvest, rationing will continue as usual")
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To: MortMan
I'm not personally vested otherwise I would have put more holes in it.

behind the RC teaching, and was soundly castigated for it.

Sorry, in my mind it was at the deception of the RCC and not you.


758 posted on 12/06/2010 6:07:40 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: presently no screen name

>>Again, it’s not a certain language you need to be better equipped, it’s the Holy Spirit. <<

Ah, I see.

If someone knowledgeable in an original language reads a passage in the language it is written in arrives at a different opinion on the meaning of the passage than you do, yours wins due to self-ascribed superior spirituality.

Pretty good system you have there. No need for facts nor analysis.


759 posted on 12/06/2010 6:09:20 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: presently no screen name

>>meant to say ‘without the HS’, obviously.<<

That was understood. I don’t go after typos.


760 posted on 12/06/2010 6:12:20 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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