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Was Mary Sinless?
The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: MayflowerMadam
1. If you believe in the concept of Original Sin, then all born will have it, so even a new-born will have this "stain". Even Mary would have had this if she was not "saved" from it. Hence God was her Savior from Sin.

2. The saving from the inheritance is what we believe made Jesus Christ as mary's SAvior.
1,341 posted on 12/08/2010 1:32:46 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: Gamecock; UriÂ’el-2012
Game Now of course there are all sorts of cults that hover around the periphery of Christianity that will try to explain this passage away, but they also cling to works righteousness and deny the Trinity

And here I thought you welcomed Uri's group as a fellow Protestant group!
1,342 posted on 12/08/2010 1:40:55 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: SeeSac; Iscool
iscool When your religion says to drink blood

Seesac: I know lots of Catholics and none are blood drinkers.

Thank you -- folks like Iscool malign Christian Protestants if they claim to speak for all Protestants.
1,343 posted on 12/08/2010 1:41:48 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: Judith Anne
Which version? Which translation? How do you know it is accurate? What if important words are mistranslated? Are human translations the Perfect Word? Who said so?

What does John Ch 1 mean to you. Not your Priest but to you? Not meant as an attack but a question. 1In the beginning the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3He created everything there is. Nothing exists that he didn’t make. 4Life itself was in him, and this life gives light to everyone. 5The light shines through the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it.

The WORD OF GOD relies not on man to survive. You can take every document penned by man and they be destroyed by man but what still lives? Why? It is not man who leads you into truth but The Light Leads you into truth. The Light is Christ the truth is taught by The Holy Spirit.

The many Biblical Translations are not there to deceive but so many can RECIEVE THE WORD and be saved. The Gospel must be preached to all nations people that means many translations. If The King James is what you are lead to read then do it. If it is NIV same. The Catholic translated Bible the same. If they are wrong they will not stand for long. Read them. Pray in earnest to GOD through Christ directly for truth, guidance, and wisdom. The only perfect translation is The Holy Spirit whom Christ sent to lead and teach us all truths.

Why are churches jealous of each other yet most serve the same Jesus Christ? OK why did Paul and Barnabas disagree? What happened? Two men of equal faith went to two differing cities instead of together. Their trivial quarrel was later mended just as the quarrels and jealousy between Roman Catholics and Protestants will be mended when Christ returns for His Bride. You will all be in the same Heaven serving the same GOD, LORD and Savior.

The doctorine differences in these churches are not ones which lead unto eternal damnation if the church preaches The Gospel. Christ said plainly there would be others teaching and preaching in His name when His jealous disciples informed Him of it.

Look at the missions of the churches for your answers as to are they abiding by the Gospel and Christ teachings. Is The First Baptist running a soup kitchen? The Roman Catholic Church running Mercy Health Care? What about the missionaries of the Methodist? Homeless shelters by some Independent denomination perhaps? These are just examples there are many more Christ abiding Churches and some who are not.

While the Baptist, Methodist, Prebst, Pentecostals, etc take on the Catholics and vice Versa The United Church Of Christ ministers are taking on Christianity meaning all of us and trying to remove it from every aspect of public life. Has anyone noticed yet?

1,344 posted on 12/08/2010 1:55:35 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Iscool; wagglebee
Iscool in post # 951 No Protestant says everything has to be in scripture...

Iscool in post #972 It's certainly not in the scripture...

Short-term memory problems?
1,345 posted on 12/08/2010 1:57:11 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: Gamecock; lastchance

Strawman — no comparison between the two verses. One is a clear allegory, the second is a statement repeated twice in scripture to a Jewish crowd to whom drinking of blood was blasphemy of the highest degree. This was no allegory.


1,346 posted on 12/08/2010 1:59:35 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: Grizzled Bear; RobbyS

Last statement of course correct. Original analogy was incorrect.


1,347 posted on 12/08/2010 2:06:24 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: Grizzled Bear

Now your statement is incorrect. The reasoning for the IC was not that He could not be near anything unclean. I expected better from you, GB, really. The reasoning for this (which you can disagree with), let be more specific the historic reasoning is more to do with the idea that Sin cannot withstand God’s presence, so if the container was “tainted”, how could it withstand God’s presence. Of course, you can disagree with that argument, but do note that this is quite different from your supposition that it is due to Him not being near anything unclean.


1,348 posted on 12/08/2010 2:11:01 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: RnMomof7; UriÂ’el-2012; metmom; Pyro7480; Ann Archy; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Gamecock

Actually more than that — I do make it a point to read through the Bible far more often than just listening to the Word on Sunday. And that is true for nearly all the Catholic posters here on this thread. So, please don’t go about telling us we don’t read the Bible.


1,349 posted on 12/08/2010 2:13:27 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: Natural Law

very nicely done


1,350 posted on 12/08/2010 3:28:21 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Natural Law
You have to engage in mind reading to make that conclusion. No one other than God knows what was in his heart or what his thoughts were at that moment, but those who knew him well have offered a different assessment. They believe that JPII actually walked the walk. He believed that Christian love will conquer all evil and sought at that moment to show the world that.

"The walk" is works, not grace.. the walk can lead right to the pit of hell..ask the Pharisees

1,351 posted on 12/08/2010 3:59:58 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: presently no screen name
Didn’t the pope say the muslims and Catholics serve the same God?

I have seen that quote as well .

What is amazing is no Muslim would say that ...but a pope devoid of discernment does not seem to know one god from another

1,352 posted on 12/08/2010 4:11:40 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Grizzled Bear

Again, I expected better research from you. The divinity is not tied to the v. Nowhere do you read that in statements of dogma or doctrine — how do you jump to that conclusion?


1,353 posted on 12/08/2010 4:34:06 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: Grizzled Bear; wagglebee
If God could simply separate Mary from sin, He wouldn't have needed to die in our place.

Are you sayuing that God was bound to do this? And that He was bound to not being able to create someone in a particular way?
1,354 posted on 12/08/2010 4:36:32 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: presently no screen name

And many more have joined. Do you believe that God did not do or could not do such wonders?


1,355 posted on 12/08/2010 4:38:32 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: RnMomof7; Cronos
What POISON has been put in your mind that Catholics don't read or know the Bible!! MOST of us probably went to Catholic School for at least 8 years!!

I, for one, read a Chapter every morning, go to Mass everyday where I hear the Gospel and sometimes it's the same I read that morning!

My best friend is a Baptist and she was told all kinds of erroneous things about Catholics....some of it is rightening and some is hilarious, but it's ALL WRONG!!PLUS, I know the Bible way better than she does.

1,356 posted on 12/08/2010 4:41:17 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: SeeSac; wagglebee

SS — there is a difference between anti-Catholics and non-Catholics. In the real world, most of the non-Catholic Protestants etc. are Christians and even if they disagree strongly with Catholic teachings, they still share a common belief in Christ. the anti-Catholics here are a sub-set of many different groups: you have Unitarians, you have Mormon-type OPC members, you even have a denier of the Trinity and divinity of Christ (bashem Hash’e...etc).


1,357 posted on 12/08/2010 4:41:50 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: presently no screen name; Running On Empty

let's review your posts.

ROE said in #678
During his papacy, Benedict XVI has advocated a return to fundamental Christian values to counter the increased secularisation of many developed countries. He views relativism’s denial of objective truth, and the denial of moral truths in particular, as the central problem of the 21st century. He teaches the importance of both the Catholic Church and an understanding of God’s redemptive love. He has reaffirmed the “importance of prayer in the face of the activism and the growing secularism of many Christians engaged in charitable work.”
you asked in #805
This giant in the religious community....where does he teach of the importance of - God's Word? #1 in importance.
to which ROE said in #826
In his wonderful book “Jesus of Nazareth”. I understand that the second in this series is due out soon.
How do you get this to mean
You would consider that God’s Word?
How do you jump to such conclusions? That is just sola interpretura.

You ask where has Pope Benedict taught about importance of God's Word -- ROE answers you by referring to a book the pope wrote. And you jump to some erroneous conclusion. That is sola intepretura
1,358 posted on 12/08/2010 4:43:14 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: presently no screen name; RnMomof7

Actually the counterfeit false churches (7 or more) are the ones that have been formed by various cult-leaders (what’s your pastor’s name again?).


1,359 posted on 12/08/2010 4:44:22 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; RnMomof7

Wait a minute — do YOU believe that JEsus was/is/will alwasys be God? Do YOU believe in the Trinity?


1,360 posted on 12/08/2010 4:45:51 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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