Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Is that what you thought I was trying to do? I would really like to know how you get Mary was simply "incidental" to Christ's life out of my mini-lesson on human biology. I have never tried to diminish Mary and have always tried to give her the same honor she was endowed with from Holy Scripture. My point, to repeat, is that Jesus' flesh and blood were unique from Mary in the very same way you are from your own mother. You have her and your father's genetic codes, but you developed from a single cell (ovum) from your mother's body along with your father's sperm cell and they together created an entirely new human being different from either yet linked through common DNA. This in no way means your flesh and blood is your mom's or your dad's.
My further point, in case you missed it, was that Pope Leo XIII wrongly stated something about our Lord and he, in turn, did not say what he did through inspiration of the Holy Spirit, since the HS would know the facts. Do you see that, too?
Those who have reached the age of reason that have not been baptized need to repent and be baptized. Those that have been baptized as infants need only repent. Jesus was not speaking to infants who obviously have no need to repent nor the ability to.
Oh, I get it; you are interpreting that verse as one action; well, I interpret it as two: repent, be baptized. Where does Jesus say you have to do them together?
You can certainly leave anytime you want to, but I rather enjoyed the humorous post. :o)
Thanks for the sanity check. We’ve really been keeping you busy with this one!
I know how George W. Bush felt when John Kerry called him stupid.
Everyone's DNA (in every cell) contains enough genetic material from their mother and father to identify their mother and father as their parents in a DNA analysis.
>>Do not make this thread “about” individual Freepers. That is also a form of “making it personal.”
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.<<
That is my intent good sir or ma’am. I realize that it is impossible for you to sort through over a thousand posts to mediate, but I assure you my “personal” descriptions were much less in both intensity and insultiveness than my attackers.
The more than once use of the pejorative “progressive” against me should be a banning offense out of the gate (of course IMHO) as should the numerous distortions of my posts.
I realize that some days are harder than others for you — and this forum can certainly get raucous. I try to avoid making it personal but I will give as good as I get when other posters go from content to personality.
As always, I merely ask for even-handed treatment.
And also, as always, I try not to bother Moderators because my nose is out of joint because of thin skin.
Have a good night and I will (no matter how hard I must clench my teeth) try to keep in the area of discussion and facts.
“All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” This applies to all except Jesus Christ, Whom the Scriptures claim was sinless. Either Mary sinned, or else we can throw the Scriptures out and live like heathen. If Mary didn’t sin — the Scriptures lie.
http://www.rockycreekbaptist.org
Your DNA is like an intricate description of your body. Think of it like a blue print with precise specifications; except, you take half the blue print from each parent.
However, you don’t have actual flesh from your parents. Your flesh grows from the nutrients eaten by your mother that pass from her blood stream, through the placenta, down the umbilical cord and into your forming body.
Aint God amazing???!!!
Actually, the comment that started this particular exchange: "Moreover, one must remember that the Blood of Christ shed for our sake and those members in which He offers to His Father the wounds He received, the price of our liberty, are no other than the flesh and blood of the virgin, since the flesh of Jesus is the flesh of Mary, and however much it was exalted in the glory of His resurrection, nevertheless the nature of His flesh derived from Mary remained and still remains the same (de Assumpt. B. V. M., c.v., among the Opera S. Aug).”Pope Leo XIII makes Pope Leo look ignorant. I'll resist calling him stupid because science had not advanced enough yet for him to make that statement with any authority - certainly not with any infallible authority.
Where does Jesus say one must be married to enter heaven? Jesus says baptism is necessary for salvation; as far as I know he never said you had to be married. But I suspect you probably know that.
"baptism normatively is synonymous with the effectual decision to believe, as saving faith in one that is confessional in nature"
Well, that's your interpretation. I interpret it that Jesus said baptism is necessary for salvation; He did not say you had to be 18 to be baptized. As One Who was very clear about His love for children, I cannot imagine Him saying "no baptisms under the age of reason; if you die before then, well tough luck!".
I would think it would be obvious that those that were converting in apostolic times were adults, as Christianity was just beginning. The only infants would be those included in the "whole households". Were infants mentioned? No, but neither were teenagers, pre-teens, or anyone else. Nor were infants excluded. Does your bible say "the entire household, except the infants"?
>>You can certainly leave anytime you want to, but I rather enjoyed the humorous post.<<
Which is certainly my preference — I love to make people laugh and rally don’t take away much other than a sort silly “*HUFF* I told THEM* — sometimes on the smallest things.
Hey Griz, let’s bury the hatchet. I am pretty sure neither your Conservative bonafides and I hope you can tell by now, mine, aren’t in question.
Your name is better for our collective reaction: detect an attack, the hackles rise, the claws come out then in the morning we find our drinking buddy all bled out on the cave floor.
If I could control my temper a lot of my life would be easier. And I am dealing with a cold that has the lovely combination of exhausting me while not letting me sleep.
I know you are coming from one perspective, and I know you saw some of my comments as, to say the least, over the top. You called me out on them and I really should have just apologized for being (*Fonzie mode* Wrr... Wro.. Wrgg..”) and move on.
I think we also are both good Christians and that our entry point into the RCC discussion certainly has a lot of distance.
No hard feelings to you MM either. I know you have a spiritual Christian picture that has a great deal of thought and belief behind it and you also defend it with alacrity.
‘Night and God bless all.
I really prefer humorous posts to biting ones. Really.
The Douay-Rheims translation was the only "approved" translation for the Roman Catholics before the 1960's and Vatican II. Some "dyed-in-the-wool" Catholics still cling to it much like the KJV-only "Protestants" they like to ridicule.
I think the nearest antecedent is "her seed", rather than "her" and that is why I agree that it was speaking of Christ. I think it is also considered one of the first Messianic prophesies in the OT.
After a second careful reading, I do not find any point of substantial disagreement with the Holy Father. Particularly clear is this statement: “...nevertheless the nature of His flesh derived from Mary...” because it did (see my DNA discussion above).
Perhaps we've all gotten a little out of hand.
The truth is, Freedumb is called a "Progressive," and much much worse, on threads outside the religion forum. However, I think we all understand that behavior allowed outside the religion threads is not necessarily acceptable on the religion threads.
A good part of this conflict is my fault; I admit that I often react a little "over the top." It's become a habit that developed through spending over half my life in the military. I sometimes forget there are some who choose not to play "rough and tumble," and that's alright.
Unfortunately, Freedumb has opened an interesting can of worms. If calling someone "Progressive" is a banning offense; should calling someone a racist or an elitist be treated the same way? After all, he asked for us to receive "evenhanded treatment." I'm sure he's well aware of the meaning of "evenhanded."
I for one think Freedumb and I would be much better off if we both simply man up, stop lowering the tone of the Religion threads and get over any real or imagined emotional boo-boos.
Would that make your job easier, RM?
Correct, and I said that. You DID read the post, right?
Thank you for telling me what I already knew, and have already posted. ;-D
FYI, I am a retired nurse.
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