Was Mary Sinless?

The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

[Grizzled Bear]

Well the thread has devolved into boring and your comments sent it into comatose.

That's understandable since boring people are usually bored.

I'll trust you to keep your race card ready for when we meet again. Meanwhile, please try to practice a bit of your precious tolerence for those of us who don't measure up to your progressive standards.

[Grizzled Bear]

Great! You agree with the Catholic Church on that point.

You might find we agree more than we disagree.

[daniel1212]

Sorry. It works in Firefox for me, but i should not have used an apostrophe in the title: Try http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/The_Lord’s_Supper.html

[presently no screen name]

the fact is that it is one that has been put forward since the 18th Century to discredit the Virgin Birth.

I know of no one who has discredit the Virgin Birth. It's Scriptural, therefore, it is.

Does it make sense to treat the “Mother of my Lord” as if she were on the same footing as the mothers of Issac, of Samuel and of Elizabeth

There it is, again. "sense" - human understanding. No matter how many times this is said, "Truth the Lord, lean not unto your own understanding...'. That's 'The Lord' you speak of as 'my'. "'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in VAIN; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

God's Kingdom (supernatural) is unlike 'man's' (natural) world. HIS rules are different. So the accolades the RCC put on any 'man/woman' are not of/for HIS Kingdom.

but the Virgin Birth is not ‘merely” a miracle but an action on the same scale as the Creation itself.

WOW! It gets worse! I'm not even going to touch that one. Deception knows no bounds.

by diminishing the role of Mary you diminish Our Lord, or advertise your belief in a minimal christology.

No one is diminishing Mary of the Bible, but satan has take her role and dressed it up w/titles and accolades in his role as an angel of light through the Vatican.

[freedumb2003]

>>Meanwhile, please try to practice a bit of your precious tolerence for those of us who don’t measure up to your progressive standards.<<

You mean high standards — but I can understand your believing people smarter than you are “progressive.” People like you put them on a pedestal since you can’t really keep up. But here is the big secret: we Conservatives are smarter than you too.

But, given your penchant for quote-mining and other lowbrow tricks, I have to ask: what is your DU Name?

[Cvengr]

"If there was no DNA in Christ that came from Mary than Christ would not be fully man."

This assumes the Old Sin Nature is derived in part from the female chromosomes, whereas many in the last 50 years have held a different view, that the Scriptural record indicates sin is passed from the male chromosomes.

This is consistent with the Scriptural position that the first sin charged to the human race for our death is attributed to Adam, rather than Eve, and also is consistent with our Savior as the Second Adam, through whom we all might have salvation.

[dartuser]

That makes sense ... Ive never heard of the D-R translation. But even if it is translated “she” the nearest antecedent is Eve ... Mary is nowhere even imagined in the context.

That was my beef.

[MarkBsnr]

Come to think of it I almost NEVER see mainline Protestants like Lutherans or Anglicans on these threads. Why do you think that is?

Because they are closer to the understanding of God than any of the other children of the Reformation - or else disintegrating into the dust (two different factions, which is why they are splitting like they are).

Is it driving you crazy that I'm not saying which non-Catholics on this thread I consider Christians and which I consider Satanic anti-Catholics?

Yup. If you describe a Catholic as satanic, you annoy us, because we know it is untrue and we get annoyed with the repetition of the false. If you describe a satanic anti Catholic as satanic, you enrage them, lest others find out the truth and believe that they are.

[Pyro7480]

Yor religion doesn't bother to consider what God has said, about any thing...

"Thou shalt not bear false witness"

Language matters, so one doesn't fall into heresy. It's pretty clear from Scripture that Our Lord Jesus Christ was one Person with two natures, human and divine. You are correct that He had a body that was subject to death during His earthly life, but His resurrected body is a glorified body.

[Grizzled Bear]

Weren't you going away?

You mean high standards — but I can understand your believing people smarter than you are “progressive.” People like you put them on a pedestal since you can’t really keep up.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I've just found Al Franken trolling on FR! He's good enough, he's smart enough, and dog gone it, people like him!

Concerning your snarky little DU comment; Google my Freeper handle along with Willie Green and Dane. I don't suffer liberal trolls; but you've already seen that.

One more thing, if you possessed half the intellectual prowess you claim, you'd have no need to crow about it on an anonymous message board. You sound like the geeky little boy with personal hygiene issues who claims to have had his way with the prom queen. We see you for what you are and you impress no one.

You said you were "bored" and you would go away. Please keep your word and go away.

[MarkBsnr]

Calling even one Christian a servant of Satan, is blasphemy agaist the Holy Spirit.

So is calling a servant of satan a Christian.

[cva66snipe]

there's no evidence of Mary being produced through immaculate conception.

Nor should their be.

Isaiah ch 11 1Out of the stump of David’s family£ will grow a shoot—yes, a new Branch bearing fruit from the old root. 2And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on him—the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD. 3He will delight in obeying the LORD. He will never judge by appearance, false evidence, or hearsay. 4He will defend the poor and the exploited. He will rule against the wicked and destroy them with the breath of his mouth. 5He will be clothed with fairness and truth.

Mary's genealogy is found in Luke ch 3. 32David was the son of Jesse. Jesse was the son of Obed.

Mary had to be born of man of the line of Jesse for prophecy to be fulfilled. Luke's listing of genealogy is Mary's as Luke was a physician and used the maternal records. Matthew was a tax collector and kept the father {head of house} genealogy meaning Joseph.

It sounds conflicting to some folks but Joseph Mary's husband would be called {considered as} Mary's fathers son when he married her. Both mary and Joseph trace to Jesse but Christ is the Son Of GOD. Mary's line is the one from which Christ came in prophecy. The mothers line made one a Jew not the fathers. An example being the Apostle Paul who was both Jewish and Roman. Jewish by Jewish Law through his mom and Roman by Roman Law by his dad.

[MarkBsnr]

Apparently they don't understand the difference. No wonder they so glibly can call for a return to the Inquisition.

The only idiots that keep mentioning the Inquisition are the antiCatholics.

[freedumb2003]

LOL!!

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Oh well, it isn’t like I didn’t try.

‘Night.

[MarkBsnr]

You may as well be asking, Where does the law say a 12 year old can't drink alcohol...It doesn't does it...All is says is that you must be 18 or 21 to drink...But you can bet your life that 12 year olds are covered under the law...

Once again, you are completely wrong about things. I cannot believe that you have gotten so many things wrong in your posts. You are very entertaining.

[presently no screen name]

He could have saved us by a word

Still using human reasoning when speaking of The Almighty, I see. Who designed the birth process? GOD NEVER goes against HIS WORD, but man does. He created it all by His Word.

BTW, His Word is spiritually discerned.

[presently no screen name]

Didn’t the pope say the muslims and Catholics serve the same God?

[boatbums]

BB,You’re overreaching . If there was no DNA in Christ that came from Mary than Christ would not be fully man

SFA, you're overreacting. Reread my post. I said that Mary's DNA was present in the ovum.