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To: Churchillspirit; pf707
re: You joined FR just to post this?

The article is more than just "this". I've read the entire article and it is accurate in all details, after all, he is quoting other sources, all real and accurate. The article is very good, except the following two parts which are the writers own speculation. He does however honestly state that it is his own opinion:

"Mary told Lucia that Russia's "errors" will spread to every country of the world, but in the 1940's to 1990 pretty much every believer in the world including Sister Lucia herself, would have assumed that Russia's errors were equatable with communism. I would consider "Russia's errors" to be the tactics of a yet to arrive Russian Hitler that would rebuild the ego and glory of the Russian empire at the expense of the weak. These Russian errors could/would include such things as persecuting religious minorities at the behest of the majority, the blackmail of weaker nations, persecution of every kind of minority, declaring might as right/war to achieve all the needs of the state(attaining food, wealth, gas, slaves etc,) or something. Russia's tactics/errors that would spread to every country would be for egoism, diversion of attention, and ultimately to pacify the voting public during times of economic collapse, hunger, and chaos. The future Russia, possibly led by Vladimir Zhirinovsky, may echo some of the ways of the former communists, but it's behavior would be more extreme and frightening."

Sister Lucia always focused on the eternal loss of souls, due to the errors of Russia. The same goes for the conclusions of every authentic Fatima expert. After all, for a Catholic, the spiritual is always the most important. The spiritual is all we have to worry about, the loss of our eternal life. The earthly part, "the bombs", we have no control over, nor should we loose 1 minute of sleep over it, for it's despair, a sin, and not Catholic.

Releasing the WORDS of the Third Secret poses a significantly bigger threat to the Vatican's worldly interests. It's a bigger test of Faith. Not only does it's publication risk infuriating Russia, it risks making the Vatican lose substantial credibility if the dated prophecies seem to fail to materialize.

I don't understand what you mean by "if the dated prophecies seem to fail to materialize". The disclosure of the 3rd secret is now 50 years past due, it's a prophecy that's 50 years old! Revealing it now should reveal what has already happened.It should be "old news" now.

The noose seems to tighten even further around the Vatican's neck. Setting the stage for an extremely bad outcome when the moment of belief is finally reached. By having lied about the Third Secret in the year 2000, lied about Lucia's words in the year 2000, and lying in a book about the subject released in 2007(The Last Secret of Fatima-Cardinal Bertone)as the abhorrent sexual scandal in the Church reaches it's climactic point in the future--the Vatican would be compelled to finally release the suppressed words of the Third Secret once the events have arrived and there is no longer doubt...but in doing so, the Vatican will have revealed to the entire world that it lied to protect it's earthly interests over Fatima thus appearing to much of the world that it is equally guilty of lying to protect it's skin in the explosively shocking sex scandal near the top of the Church that would have revealed itself at that time.

I guess you are saying that the "sex scandal" was revealed in the real 3rd secret, which was to be revealed in 1960?

So...in order for the Pope to finally obey God and release the Third Secret, the cost in the end will be epic. It would be seen as a declaration of guilt over the future sex scandal, risking opening a floodgate of litigation that would impoverish the church coffers. It could doom someone very close to the Pope, Cardinal and friend, to prison. It would be seen as an abhorrent tactic to divert attention away from the sex scandal. It would be perceived as an abhorrent tactic to terrify everyone back to the Church at a desperate moment in time. It would bring down the wrath of Russia against the Vatican."

re: It would be perceived as an abhorrent tactic to terrify everyone back to the Church at a desperate moment in time. It would bring down the wrath of Russia against the Vatican

I don't see where proof of "hiding a scandal" would terrify anyone back to the Church, on the contrary, it would repel people from joining the Church. By the way, revealing the truth, would bring to light what the SSPX and traditionalists have been saying all along, that the progressives within the Church are wolves in sheep's clothing, enemies of the Church. Revealing the full 3rd Secret would expose the progressives, and force them to make a stand, and to attempt to take with them their followers to start a new church. Thus, it would not hurt the Catholic Church, but would reveal to everyone who in the that the post Vatican II hierarchy were the wolves in sheep's clothing.

66 posted on 12/10/2010 10:23:50 AM PST by verdugo
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To: verdugo; pf707
I was puzzled by the fact that pf707 joined FR - a primarily political forum - last week and has posted only on this "Fatima" thread.
67 posted on 12/10/2010 1:09:33 PM PST by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: verdugo
I don't understand what you mean by "if the dated prophecies seem to fail to materialize". The disclosure of the 3rd secret is now 50 years past due, it's a prophecy that's 50 years old! Revealing it now should reveal what has already happened.It should be "old news" now.

It is my understanding that war required to start near the end of last century serves as the unrealized beginning of predicted global misery to come. Upon future delvings, the matter should become clear when Russia shocks Europe with warplanes sent to destroy Kosovo's independence on behalf of the Serbs. It could have happened yesterday already, it could happen after perceptual or political changes in the relevant regions.

I guess you are saying that the "sex scandal" was revealed in the real 3rd secret, which was to be revealed in 1960?

The La Salette secrets speak about the bad behavior of priests and the vengeance at their doors. The Fatima secret probably repeats such warnings.

Pope John Paul II himself indicated the parallels between La Salette and Fatima. Father Alonso, an official archivist of the Fatima documents stated 30 or so years ago about the third Secret: "Does the unpublished text speak of concrete circumstances? It is very possible that it speaks not only of a real crisis of the faith in the Church during this in-between period, but like the secret of La Salette, for example, there are more concrete references to the internal struggles of Catholics or to the fall of priests and religious..."/((Note to anyone: be wary of English La Salette translations without examining the original French. There are critical differences between the two.))

The outbreak of the recent sex scandal coincided with Pope Benedict XVI's (possibly insincere) trip to Fatima indicating at first blush a connection between the two. He planned the trip before the outbreak arrived.

Another more recent development had displayed itself to anyone that was paying close attention to the right place and time that screams out direct connection between the Fatima prophecies and the sex scandal. However, I cannot prudently repeat the information over the internet for the simple reason that a single person or two could nefariously use such information to, at the proper time, attempt to forcefully fulfill a certain relatively easy to fulfill prophecy. I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, so people can ignore (especially!) this last paragraph.

I don't see where proof of "hiding a scandal" would terrify anyone back to the Church, on the contrary, it would repel people from joining the Church.

I guess my point is that that many people would get their excuse to continue to be hardened against Fatima by believing the Pope released a fabricated version of the 3rd secret for the express purpose of stopping people from leaving the Church over the big scandal and to terrify them and their wallets back to the pews and back to the Pope that has suddenly become the apocalyptic messenger of the Virgin Mary. I hope I'm wrong on this!!!!!!!! Unless Mary appears to the Pope in a vision and forces his hand, the release of the secret would undoubtedly occur at the early stage of fulfillment when the Pope can no longer deny the predicted events have arrived : a moment the world is desperately afraid of the new Russian Fuhrer being further provoked.

Many people would hate the Pope for resorting, over the sex scandal, to such heartless 16th century diversionary tactics that "preys on people's superstitions and deepest fears" at such a delicate moment in history. They would view it as the most unequaled self-serving, outrageous, and uncaring act...ever!

It is the type of scandalous situation that would boil up enough anger against the Pope that people would go to the large building housing the Pope and release their fury against him by hurling curses and throwing stones towards the crying Pope, in fulfillment of Jacinta's vision.

And yet the Pope would know the Fatima message is being fulfilled and is the Truth of God. In such a possible expected situation as described in this post, the Pope would "suffer" the pain of being unbelieved and being accused of a monstrous fabrication. Genuine regret of his role and the effects of the "lies" that damaged the perceived credibility of the third secret would be another source of suffering for him. The perception that he is lying about and guilty of allowing/knowing about the mega sex scandal would be yet another source of suffering. And that would be just the beginning as the Pope would have much to suffer.

Believers would recognize that to reveal the secret, the Pope risked everything: flesh, bone and home, credibility, embarrassment and possibly imprisonment....all out of the fear of God, fear for his soul, fear for the fate of mankind.

The Church goes underground in a time of persecution, lead by a transformed Pope that offers his life as a sacrifice to God.

Sorry for the speculation.

71 posted on 12/11/2010 5:19:35 PM PST by pf707
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