Posted on 11/30/2010 7:38:28 PM PST by pf707
This is the false hoax letter. Not really a hoax, more a disinformation attack on God’s people by Satan.
Your comment truly is twisted in a most diabolical manner.
<< The other problem is nut jobs like you see a conspiracy behind every corner >>
The tagline beside your name says “but the truth must be sought” which is what I have done in order to understand the Fatima prophecies. However, the truth can be quite unpleasant which may be reason enough to forgo the search and focus on more noble things.
I know what I know. If you completely dismiss the extremely solid evidence of what Pope JPII, Cardinal Ratzinger, and Sister Lucia have stated that’s your prerogative. And that’s perfectly fine, at least for now.
The evidence I provided only deals with the central theme of Russia regarding the Third Secret. There are a couple of other themes that go far beyond what was provided in the Opening Post in demolishing the idea of the Fatima secret being fulfilled in the 1981 assassination attempt.
<< -It would bring down the wrath of Russia against the Vatican.-
So what. Wouldn’t be the first time. Also, Christ promised to protect the Church. Don’t you believe him?>>
I do not have such a cavalier attitude about the Fatima Secret. The Church will be persecuted, renewed by blood and go underground, but it will endure, if that’s what you mean by “protection.”
Not sure what you think is twisted.
Last night I posted the article here first. It was held up by moderator review and I thought it was rejected when it didn't show up three hours latter, so I deleted some of the lines and posted at the other site instead.
Things begin to happen with Russia and what do you suppose the non-believers would say: “Those flipity flip flopping Catholics...fitting the Fatima Secret to world war II, then to 1981, and now to present day events with Russia.”
And they wont take it seriously out of ignorance.
That is why I'm getting the evidence straight now before it can be said that Fatima simply attaches itself to every event.
You are living in an alternate reality. Your whole premise is based upon the consecration of Russia not being carried out. Therefore, Russia is a threat to the Church. The consecration was performed and Russia is not a threat. As a matter of fact, about a year ago Moscow and the Vatican established full diplomatic relations. They are no longer the atheistic, church-persecuting nation they were about 20 years ago. Which coincidently, is about the time Lucia publicly stated the Consecration was completed.
If there is to be a persecution of the Church the more likely candidates are the crazy Muzzies or China. The Muzzies have no problem destroying churches and killing Catholics and China has driven the Church underground.
Pope Pius XII consecrated Russia in like 1950, BUT, not in union with the bishops. Pope JPII did it twice, but never specifically named Russia, nor did he do it in union with the bishops.
We have the record of the seer Lucia stating that the consecration by Pius XII was incomplete because he did not do it in union with the bishops AND YET HE SPECIFICALLY CONSECRATED RUSSIA. The only two things that could make anyone think that the JPII consecrations (WHICH LACK BOTH the union of the bishops in the consecration AND THE MENTION OF RUSSIA) were complete, would be ignorance of the past consecrations by Pius XII (which at least mentioned Russia) or that the people saying that the consecrations were done are enemies of the Church.
The consecrations have not been done, those that teach otherwise are either ignorant of the subject matter, or enemies of the Church, whether they are wolves in sheep's clothing (Catholic clergy) or wolves.
The errors of Russia are still there, and have spread all over the world: abortion, contraceptives, divorce, women behaving as men (not having children and competing for men's jobs), breakup of the family, children raised by the state, Immorality, fornication, adultery,pornography drugs & alcohol abuse, and sports/circus to keep the masses numbed. The USA is already poisoned by the errors of Russia, the USA is actually today the biggest promoter of the errors of Russia.
Our Blessed Mother came to warn us of errors of Russia pertaining to our ETERNAL SALVATION. If she had come to warn us of the earthly horrors of communism, it's mass starvation killings, concentration camps, firing squads and so forth, she would have warned us also of the Nazis, and every other despot since 1917.
I've read so many books on Fatima that it would make your head spin.
Yes it has.
Pope JPII did it twice, but never specifically named Russia, nor did he do it in union with the bishops.
From Sister Lucias letter to Father Fox on July 3rd, 1990
I come to answer your question, "If the consecration made by Pope John Paul II on March 25, 1984 in union with all the bishops of the world, accomplished the conditions for the consecration of Russia according to the request of Our Lady in Tuy on June 13 of 1929?" Yes, it was accomplished, and since then I have said that it was made.
The consecrations have not been done, those that teach otherwise are either ignorant of the subject matter, or enemies of the Church, whether they are wolves in sheep's clothing (Catholic clergy) or wolves.
Those who say the consecration wasnt done are ignorant and enemies of the Church in addition to being conspiracy nuts.
The errors of Russia are still there, and have spread all over the world: abortion, contraceptives, divorce, women behaving as men (not having children and competing for men's jobs), breakup of the family, children raised by the state, Immorality, fornication, adultery,pornography drugs & alcohol abuse, and sports/circus to keep the masses numbed.
I could just as easily make the argument these are the errors of the Greeks or Romans. The errors of Russia were atheistic communism where the power of the state was restricted by no laws, hampered by no rules, and based directly on violence.
If youre suggesting Russia is like this today youre not paying attention.
Our Blessed Mother came to warn us of errors of Russia pertaining to our ETERNAL SALVATION. If she had come to warn us of the earthly horrors of communism, it's mass starvation killings, concentration camps, firing squads and so forth, she would have warned us also of the Nazis, and every other despot since 1917.
Says who?
I've read so many books on Fatima that it would make your head spin.
Am I supposed to be impressed?
Dated Dec 8/1983, the Pope sends out a letter to the Bishops inviting them to join in the “Acts of Entrustment of the World to the Blessed Virgin Mary” for the following year. No Mention of Russia anywhere in the letter or Act. (pg. 125 of the Youngest Prophet, Christopher Rengers, 1986)
After the fall of communism....the conversion of Russia and time for God's peace to arrive?!?...:
From 1991 to 1995: Most horrific wars in Europe in Yugoslavia. The Yugoslavia wars were “often described as Europe's deadliest conflicts since World War II...the first conflicts since World War II to be formally judged genocidal in character.”(wikipedia quote)
1994: The apocalypse comes to Africa in Rwanda. Rivers of blood, be-headings, indiscriminate massacre of the innocent...an unimaginable 800,000 dead in 100 days. / 1998-2003: “Africa's World War” becomes the deadliest conflict in the world since world war II. Three million dead. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_World_War ).
No sign of God's peace to “be granted to the world” in the 90’s.
In January 1995: cloaking his warning in “Never again” declarations Pope JPII predicted that “tomorrow we must cry over other modern day Auschwitzes death camps” (he was not predicting the peace that would follow Russia's conversion but instead death camps for the future of mankind!) See link of image of newspaper clipping:
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8607/aushwtz2.jpg
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/no-headline-present-1.697635
1995/1996: During a time of Yugoslavia wars in Europe and a time of the Pope expecting a future fulfillment of the 3rd Secret the Vatican made plans for Priests to gather at Fatima the day after Russia's elections. (See page 221 of Crossing the Threshold of Hope for his expectations in 1995 that the Fatima prophecies “now...seems close to their fulfillment”)
Date of Russian elections: June 16/1996
Start date of the Gathering of Priests organized by the Vatican for Fatima Portugal: June 17/1996
the evidence of this:
http://servus.christusrex.org/www2/news-old/6-96/es6-18-96.html
“VATICAN CITY, JUN 18, 1996 (VIS) - The 1st International Meeting for Priests, organized by the Congregation for the Clergy in preparation for the Holy Year 2000, opened yesterday afternoon in Fatima, Portugal, with the reading of a message sent by the Holy Father. The Pope underlines the importance of this event to give impulse to the new evangelization, and invites priests to renew their personal consecration to the Heart of Jesus and to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. As a sign of his closeness, John Paul II sent a rosary to each priest. Also read at the opening was a telegram sent by Sr. Lucia, the only survivor of the three little shepherds of Fatima to whom the Blessed Virgin appeared.”
http://servus.christusrex.org/www2/news-old/3-96/es3-21-96.html
“...The archbishop also said that beginning this year there would be meetings of the world's priests in preparation for the Jubilee 2000. In 1996 one will be held in Fatima June 17-21”
There are two interpretations of this gathering of priests in Fatima for the day after the Russian elections.
Interpretation one: It was a mere coincidence! But to suggest that the Vatican didn't pay attention to events in Russia when 1) the stark evidence I posted already in the OP is crystal clear (more so to the Pope) about the connection of Russia's errors to the Fatima Secrets. 2)Europe was rocked by the Yugoslavia wars which could have drawn Russia/NATO into a world war at any moment and 3) the fatima prophecies seemed “close to fulfillment” to the Pope in 1995;.....makes it all very ludicrous in my opinion, to believe the Vatican didn't know they were scheduling the Fatima event the day after the Russian elections.
Interpretation two: Fervor for the Third Secret had the Pope in it's clutches in 1994/1995/1996 with expectations months before the elections that Russia would be taken over by someone capable of igniting the great persecution(Someone Hitler like.) The Vatican therefore preplanned in advance by months, to have the priests of the world gathered at Fatima Portugal the day after the Russian elections. The purpose was simple: In a surreal moment immediately after the Communist or Russian Hitler won the June 16th elections, the Pope would go straight to Fatima where the gathering of priests was already prepared in place to then reveal the full text of the Third Secret of Fatima to the World. It would have been an epic start if the timing of the Russian Hitler was indeed fated for that election.
2000: Despite not consecrating Russia and not publishing the third secret beforehand, the Vatican is confounded by the inexplicable delay of the Secret’s breakout. Weary and sick of the waiting endured through the 1990’s they decide suddenly to forsake the "wait for the fulfillment" by designating the prophecies materialization to a date nineteen years earlier. It's easier on the flock that way.
1990-2010: still no clear sign of the world peace mentioned in the Fatima and La Salette prophecies.
2008-????: various signs begin to emerge. (No need to burden this thread or forum with THAT topic as it places the believing observer on an unpleasant roller coaster...if you know what I mean.) : (
The events: rise of Lenin and communism, night of light in 1938, consecration of the world, fall of communism, would serve as the shadows of starker things to come.
God confounded the Jews by having split the fulfillment of the prophecy of the coming of the Christ and his prophet Elijah into two separate events. With the Jews, it's difficult for them to accept the first coming of the two major stages of fulfillment. With Fatima, a difficulty lies in accepting the coming of the the second more critical period of fulfillment.
BOTTOM LINE: Lucia did not give reason to the Pope between 1984 and late 1990’s to believe the 1984 Consecration of the World prevented a future disaster for the church and the world.
You don't have to be impressed, just knowthat you know nothing about Fatima. Looking up a quote from Fr. Fox any child can do. Fr. Fox has been shown for a fool by every Fatima expert.
re: Our Blessed Mother came to warn us of errors of Russia pertaining to our ETERNAL SALVATION. If she had come to warn us of the earthly horrors of communism, it's mass starvation killings, concentration camps, firing squads and so forth, she would have warned us also of the Nazis, and every other despot since 1917.
Says who?
If you didn't know this, you need to read, this is basic stuff.
re:The errors of Russia were atheistic communism where the power of the state was restricted by no laws, hampered by no rules, and based directly on violence.
Fatima is about internal salvation. Our life here on earth is nothing compared to eternity. Practically no one is saved today. You should not waste your time on FR. Go and read.
I'm out of here. I only came into FR for one second.
You don't have to be impressed, just know that you know nothing about Fatima. Looking up a quote from Fr. Fox any child can do. Fr. Fox has been shown for a fool by every Fatima expert.
re: Our Blessed Mother came to warn us of errors of Russia pertaining to our ETERNAL SALVATION. If she had come to warn us of the earthly horrors of communism, it's mass starvation killings, concentration camps, firing squads and so forth, she would have warned us also of the Nazis, and every other despot since 1917.
Says who?
If you didn't know this, you need to read, this is basic stuff.
re: The errors of Russia were atheistic communism where the power of the state was restricted by no laws, hampered by no rules, and based directly on violence.
Fatima is about internal salvation. Our life here on earth is nothing compared to eternity. Practically no one is saved today, as a result of the spread of the SOUL KILLING errors of Russia. You should not waste your time on FR. Go and read.
I'm out of here. I only came into FR for one second.
Fr. Gruner has always been incardinated under a bishop. He is a valid Catholic priest. Your ad hominem attack is just that, and hollow. Besides for 100% of his material, Fr. Gruner just quotes tons of other sources. One does not have to even read anything Fr. Gruner writes to learn the truth about Fatima, there are countless other authorities, and all confirm 100% what Fr. Gruner says in the Fatima Crusader. Your “reliable sources” have been shown to be biased against Fatima, because the message throws a wrench into "ecumenism" with the Russian Orthodox and because the of the "reliable sources' (progressivists) fright of communists.
The message of Fatima goes directly against the false religion that is Russian Orthodoxy, and against the SOUL KILLING errors of Russia. The progressivists in the Catholic Church want nothing to do with Fatima, because they are cowards.
Im not
just know that you know nothing about Fatima.
If you say so
Looking up a quote from Fr. Fox any child can do.
Hit a nerve huh?
Fr. Fox has been shown for a fool by every Fatima expert.
Are you one of the experts?
Fatima is about internal salvation.
Ok, however, you totally dodged my point regarding the errors of Russia.
Our life here on earth is nothing compared to eternity.
Agreed
Practically no one is saved today.
How would you know?
You should not waste your time on FR.
Youre right, I dont spend as much time here as I used to.
Go and read.
I do
I'm out of here. I only came into FR for one second.
Im sensing youre a bit hyper.
:)
THE TEACHINGS OF THE FATHERS, DOCTORS AND SAINTS OF THE CHURCH UPON THE FINAL DESTINY OF MOST PEOPLE.
1) Notwithstanding assurances that God did not create any man for Hell, and that He wishes all men to be saved, it remains equally true that few will be saved; that only few will go to Heaven; and that the greater part of mankind will be lost for ever. (St. John Neuman)
2) It is certain that few are saved. (St. Augustine)
3) The majority of men shall not see God. (St. Julian the Martyr)
4) Those who are saved are in the minority. ( St. Thomas Aquinas)
5) The greater part of men choose to be damned rather than to love almighty God. (St. Alphonsus Liguori)
6) So vast a number of miserable souls perish, and so comparatively few are saved. (St. Philip Neri)
7) Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)
8) Death bed conversions/repentance-there are hardly any: Out of 100,000 sinners who continue in sin until death, scarcely ONE will be saved. (St. Jerome)
9) The MAJORITY OF CATHOLICS GO TO HELL:
a) The greater number of Christians today are damned. The destiny of those dying on one day is that very few - not as many as ten - went straight to Heaven; many remained in Purgatory; and THOSE CAST INTO HELL WERE NUMEROUS AS SNOWFLAKES in mid-winter. (Bl. Anna Maria Taigi)
b) There are many who arrive at the faith, but few who are led to the heavenly kingdom. Behold how many are gathered here for today’s Feast-Day; we fill the church from wall to wall. Yet who knows how FEW they are who shall be numbered in that chosen company of the elect? (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
c) The Ark, which in the midst of the Flood was the symbol of the Church, was wide below and narrow above, .... It was wide where the animals were, narrow where men lived; for the Holy Church is indeed wide in number of those who are carnal minded, narrow in the number of those who are spiritual.
( Pope St. Gregory the Great)
d) Shall we all be saved? Shall we go to heaven? Alas, my children we do not know at all! But I tremble when I see so many souls lost these days. See, they fall into Hell as leaves fall from the trees at the approach of winter. (St. John Vianney)
10) MOST PRIESTS GO TO HELL:
a) I do not speak rashly, but how I feel and think. I do not think that many priests are saved, but that those who perish are more numerous. ( St. John Chrysostom)
b) Most priest are lost and few bishops are saved, not because of what they do, so much as what they fail to do. (St. John Chrysotom)
c) Many religious go to Hell because they do not keep their vows. (St. Vincent Ferrer)
11) CATHOLICS NOT ASPIRING AND NOT LIVING AS SAINTS WILL GO TO HELL:
a) They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)
b) They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
c) St. Teresa.... had she not risen from the state of lukewarmness in which she lived, she would in the end have lost the grace of God and been damned. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)
12) How many inhabitants of this city may perhaps be saved? What I am about to say is very terrible, yet I will not conceal it from you. Out of this thickly populated city with it’s thousands of inhabitants, not 100 people will be saved. I even doubt whether there will be as many as that! ( St. John Chrysostom - the city was Antioch and its inhabitants were known to be in pursuit of comfort and the good things of things life.)
13) A multitude of souls fall into the depths of Hell. (St. Anthony Mary Claret - It has been revealed that on the day of the death of St. Bernard there also died 79,999 other people, and of this total of 80,000 who died, only St. Bernard and two other monks were saved. So out of 80,000 dead, 79,997 went to Hell! )
14) In the great deluge in the days of Noah, all mankind perished, eight persons alone being saved in the Ark. In our days a deluge, not of water, but sins, continually inundates the earth, and out of this deluge very few escape. Scarcely anyone is saved. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)
15) If you only knew the women who will go to Hell because they did not bring into the world the children they should have given to it. ( St. John Vianney)
16) He who goes to Hell, goes of his own accord. Everyone who is damned, is damned because he wills his own damnation. (St. Alphonsus Liguori)
17) THOSE WHO HAVE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT THE FAITH CAN ALSO GO TO HELL:
a) When such unbelievers are damned, it is on account of other sins, which cannot be taken away without the faith, but not because of their sin of unbelief. (St. Thomas Aquinas)
d) No one is lost without knowing it, and no one is deceived without wanting to be. (St. Teresa of Avila)
18) OUTSIDE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, THERE IS NO SALVATION:
a) No matter how praiseworthy his actions might seem, he who is separated from the Catholic Church will never enjoy eternal life (Pope Gregory XVI)
b) O ye atheists who do not believe in God, what fools you are! But if you do believe there is a God, you must also believe there is a true religion. And if not the Roman Catholic, which is it? Perhaps that of the pagans who admit many gods, thus they deny them all. Perhaps that of Mohammed, a religion invented by an impostor and framed for beasts rather than humans. Perhaps that of the Jews who had the true faith at one time but, because they rejected their redeemer, lost their faith, their country, their everything. Perhaps that of the heretics who, separating themselves from our Church, have confused all revealed dogmas in such a way that the belief of one heretic is contrary to that of his neighbor. O holy faith! Enlighten all those poor blind creatures who run to eternal perdition! (St. Alphonsus Liguori)
The Whole Truth About Fatima: Volume I Science and the Facts
The Whole Truth about Fatima, Volume II: The Secret and the Church
The Whole Truth about Fatima: Volume III: The Third Secret
re:Im sensing youre a bit hyper.
I’m a Catholic father of 5 children 8 and under, so far. Obviously, I have no time to waste on the internet.
The Whole Truth About Fatima: Volume I Science and the Facts
http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/fatima1/
The Whole Truth about Fatima, Volume II: The Secret and the Church
http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/fatima2/
The Whole Truth about Fatima: Volume III: The Third Secret
http://www.catholicvoice.co.uk/fatima3/
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