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Commentary by Rashi on Isaiah 12:14
12. How have you fallen from heaven, the morning star? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations.
the morning star: This is Venus, which gives light as the morning star, הֵילֵל being derived from יהל, to shed light. This is the lamentation over the heavenly prince of Babylon, who will fall from heaven. You have been cut down to earth:
You, Nebuchadnezzar, who would cast lots on nations. You would cast lots on them, on the kings, who of them would serve you on such and such a day, and who on such and such a day. Our Rabbis, however, expounded this to mean that he would cast lots on the kings for purposes of pederasty.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

12. How have you fallen from heaven, the morning star? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations.

I probably agree with you

Isaiah ch 14
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How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

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For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

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I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

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Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

It appears to me that God was not calling The king the ( son of the morning )but was only using the kings own words

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

So God was saying to the king, if you are what you think in your heart and you are going to be and do then why have you fallen? in other words lucifer was not the son of the morning, he was not the morning star, he was just trying to set him self up as the most high, as the shining one, which could be where the name Lucifer came from.

Note, i do not know any of this but it makes more sense than any thing else to me, and i don,t think there is enough evidence in the scriptures to actually prove this or anything else.