Posted on 11/22/2010 10:08:57 AM PST by mlizzy
And to the poster who alleged a lack of good parenting skills on the part of any parent who produces an offspring that can be swayed by this stuff I say: The Devil is much more powerful than you are, best to keep your kids out of his reach!I've been thinking about this comment of yours for the last couple of days, and I think maybe this is why some become so irate over the anti-Potter declarations. They feel their kids can buck this stuff off. And as some parents will use the excuse that known Catholic bloggers such as Mark O'Shea, Jimmy Akin, and Amy Welborn have come out as pro-Potter (I have not read their dissertations on the subject, but I have read Chelsea Zimmermans' posts -- a Catholic blogger whose work I have previously agreed with 100%), they nonetheless skip over Fr. Euteneuer, Fr. Amorth, and Reverend Pedro Mendoza, all official Church exorcists who have come out quite clearly as to their disapproval.
“I think a book like this does a lot of damage,” the priest told us. “At its core it is about sorcery. I am sure that is not the best use of a child’s mind.” --Reverend Pedro Mendoza, Director of Exorcists in the Archdiocese of Mexico CityNow in the battle with Satan, who should one listen to? Those that fight him quite literally, or those that do not. As a comparison, if a parent had a child with an operable brain tumor, would they seek the expertise of the best known brain surgeon for removal of the tumor, or would they call up their general practitioner who happens to be a surgeon (but not in the area of the brain)?
“I’m very set against Harry Potter,” he said. “It’s pumping into our children’s minds the language and imagery of the occult. It’s extremely spiritually dangerous.” --Fr. Thomas J. Euteneuer, official Church exorcist whose book on Exorcism has now been pulled, "coincidentally" after he was relieved of his duties as HLI president, but I'm fairly certain it had nothing to do with his warnings against Potter
"You start off with Harry Potter, who comes across as a likeable wizard, but you end up with the Devil. There is no doubt that the signature of the Prince of Darkness is clearly within these books." "By reading Harry Potter a young child will be drawn into magic and from there it is a simple step to Satanism and the Devil." --Rev. Gabriele Amorth, Vatican's chief exorcist
Mystical literature can have quite the insidious allure for adults as well. For example, I myself found Carlos Castaneda's books fascinating way back then. Apparently my immunity to sorcery was strong in that case because I took up neither peyote nor solo hikes in the remoteness of Sonora! However, if someone had come along and offered me a few hallucinogenic mushroom buttons things might have been different, might be even now! This is the danger of being groomed for this stuff. Keep your soul out of view of the devil! All he needs is a quick, furtive glance!
No CC/sorcery tales from the readership?
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This is the danger of being groomed for this stuff. Keep your soul out of view of the devil! All he needs is a quick, furtive glance!You nailed it Steve. Very good commentary. Fr. Corapi said the person who first offered him crack cocaine told him that he'd hate him for the rest of his life, or something to that effect, yet, Fr. still took the crack, and his life story is something else.
I will have to try to get a hold of the book. Not very familiar with these priests or their writings — most of what I feel about the issue comes to me intuitively (Grace of Discernment?).
No CC/sorcery tales from the readership?Your ping didn't come up on my side. Maybe the others on the thread did not receive it either. I've pinged people via the "all" before, and they've said they didn't recall seeing the ping. So I'm not sure if it works "all" the time. Here's a scene from Potter. Click the image to view the trailer.
Thank you for the generous offer of the book -- I'll scout around nearer to home first. My trailer park (pun) is having a book sale so if I get extremely lucky I'll find one there.
Oh, I didn’t realize that about the “all.” Learn something new every day. Yes, the trailer actually *is* pretty creepy. Most all the images are dark or spooky. Nothing really upbeat/happy. It’s a clue; it’s a clue, to those wanting to learn about HP. :)
Interesting Italian movie clip about Padre Pio and an exorcism (I guess). Funny, I wasn’t searching for anything like this — was looking at motorbike videos or something and this appeared in “related”. Weird.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9908nRjq28&feature=related
Italian to English translation
In 1964 he was brought from a village in Bergamo a young man obsessed with the Capuchin convent of S. Severo (Foggia). There he lived with Father Placido S. Marco in Lamis, universally esteemed by the people for his holiness. He was presented the obsessive, so that free from the devil. The girl he saw Father Placido, began to scream, to curse, to curse and groped to attack. After a moment’s hesitation, the brother of Father Placido advised him to continue the obsessive young and relatives who accompanied her to St. Giovanni Rotondo, Padre Pio to intervene. And so they did. When the girl was in front of Padre Pio, he repeated the same scenes with violence made before Father Placido. Padre Pio, at that time was not in forces to undertake the exorcism, he just give her a blessing.
A few days later, some monks, authorized by the Archbishop of Manfredonia, they wanted to do the exorcisms to rid obsessed by the devil, but were unable to move forward, because that mocked them, saying that he pretended to throw him out after eating and drinking, rather than have prayed and did penance.
Padre Pio knew that things were made so, he remained sad and thoughtful. In the night then he was attacked with fury by the devil, which dealt a tremendous blow on the spine. He fell awkwardly to the ground, wounded to the eyebrow and soon saw his face all swollen. In the fall uttered a cry which was heard by the brothers, who promptly noticed, they found him in that state. They asked him what had happened and he merely said that he had fallen. Then they dressed the wounds and laid him on the bed. In those conditions, however, the morning could not get off to church for the celebration of Holy Mass. On the other hand, the obsessed people that waited in the church was screaming that Padre Pio would not come, because the night had tanned my skin for the old monk. Indeed, at a certain time he appeared in the upper church of the convent, which announced that Padre Pio would not have fallen for the Mass because unwell. There was great confusion and disappointment among the people.
That same morning, the superior of the convent of S. Severo, P. Alberto D’Apolito, came to St. John and learned the facts that had happened. Who went from Padre Pio, asked him if it was true what people was saying. Padre Pio, he merely said: “It’s possible.” Then the Father D’Apolito expressed his displeasure in having to divert recommended by S. S. Severo John Young that obsessed. And Padre Pio: “I have done a nice gift.”
But the match between Padre Pio and the devil for that girl possessed was not closed, and prayed to Padre Pio is mortified and after a few days left to the better, went to church for the S. Mass. This time, however, obsessed as he saw it he gave a scream high and then fell to the ground unconscious. The devil finally was gone and the young in peace and tranquility could hear the Mass of Padre Pio healed and then return to his home. Padre Pio, as usual, had won, but this time he had paid dearly!
Interesting Italian movie clip about Padre Pio and an exorcism (I guess). Funny, I wasn’t searching for anything like this — was looking at motorbike videos or something and this appeared in “related”. Weird.
"Funny" indeed! In 1964, I was 14 years old. Yet another saint that was living during my childhood. I just picked up a beautiful Padre Pio scapular when I was purchasing Fr. E's book, and I will be wearing it to a Tridentine Mass we have in the area, where many (even men!) wear "visible" scapulars along with most women wearing mantillas. St. John Vianney ("coincidentally" the name of the parish we'll be attending the TLM at) was another saint that was physically harassed by Satan.
BTW, my husband took part in an exorcism when he was quite young, in his teens, and his mother, upon hearing about it, quickly put an end to it. She was afraid the devil might enter his soul or trouble him, but yes, the movie clip you saw was a depiction of an exorcism. Thanks for posting!
>>You want an example?<<
Yes. You haven’t given me one example from those books of teaching children to participate in spiritual darkness. You can’t find one.
>>This man, a product of the Harry Potter generations...<<
That man has bigger problems that have nothing to do with reading children’s books.
My Goddaughter who has read the books since she was 11, has been dating the same young man for six years today and is still a virgin, she doesn’t drink or smoke, she made it to parochial High School AND College on scholarship and is a half a year away from graduating Summa cum laude.
Maybe your son’s best friend should have read some Harry Potter. He may learned some real morals from them.
>>Net, do you really think that’s a blanket for us to do whatever we want and then to ask God for peace and expect it? <<
Please do not call me ‘net’, thank you.
Yes, I put my trust in The Lord. I have a covenant, I refuse to be afraid of trivial things. If any of those books taught my children how to be witches, I would not let them read them. They do not. My daughter brought it to our Pastor who told her that as long she is not reading an instruction manual, it’s perfectly fine.
Good enough for me.
You know Harry Potter isn’t real, right?
>>You know Harry Potter isn’t real, right?<<
She’s gonna take a while. She’s way back at the beginning of the thread answering a whole bunch of posts long after the interest has waned.
Oh well.
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