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To: markomalley; smvoice
These statements about baptisms performed by other than Catholic priests, namely

Can. 849; 861 §1,§2; Catechism 1256

. . . are simply meant to be the broad lasso, intended to rope everything under the dictatorial authority of the Vatican (being the ultimate intention). I take all of these to be quite disingenuous.

Not meaning to be personally offensive to you as an individual, but (as per our understanding of the Book of Revelation), these notions would come out of the beasts mouth, rather than a horse's mouth.

We do not believe that any form of water baptism is requisite to the salvation of the soul today.

Further, we are already saved and KNOW that we are children of God by faith in Jesus Christ (1 John 3:1, 2), and are NOT waiting to see whether any form of water baptism, authorized or carried out by ANY earthly church or its ministers has any consequence whatsoever upon our eternal enjoyment of the Savior.

Nevertheless, I do appreciate your posting those citations, totally inconsistent with the Scriptures of Truth. I am printing them for our insititute students, and will use them to illustrate Rome's continuing efforts at using the "broad lasso" in ecumenism.

28 posted on 11/18/2010 8:26:37 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: John Leland 1789
Not meaning to be personally offensive to you as an individual, but (as per our understanding of the Book of Revelation), these notions would come out of the beasts mouth, rather than a horse's mouth.

Wow. Darn it. You've got our nefarious scheme figured out.

I guess since you've got our plot figured out so far, you should know this one too:

Can. 877 §1. The pastor of the place where the baptism is celebrated must carefully and without any delay record in the baptismal register the names of the baptized, with mention made of the minister, parents, sponsors, witnesses, if any, the place and date of the conferral of the baptism, and the date and place of birth.

§2. If it concerns a child born to an unmarried mother, the name of the mother must be inserted, if her maternity is established publicly or if she seeks it willingly in writing or before two witnesses. Moreover, the name of the father must be inscribed if a public document or his own declaration before the pastor and two witnesses proves his paternity; in other cases, the name of the baptized is inscribed with no mention of the name of the father or the parents.

§3. If it concerns an adopted child, the names of those adopting are to be inscribed and, at least if it is done in the civil records of the region, also the names of the natural parents according to the norm of §§1 and 2, with due regard for the prescripts of the conference of bishops.

Can. 878 If the baptism was not administered by the pastor or in his presence, the minister of baptism, whoever it is, must inform the pastor of the parish in which it was administered of the conferral of the baptism, so that he records the baptism according to the norm of ⇒ can. 877, §1.

That, of course, is the Canon where the supercomputer in the basement of St Peter's maintains a list of all Protestants and other Heretics (obviously if you aren't on a proper Catholic list, you must be a Protestant or Other Heretic...)

Just wow.

32 posted on 11/19/2010 2:13:38 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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