Hey, smvoice,
It has been admitted to me right here on FR by one of the RCC “anti-defamation” activists, that, given the opportunity, they would again use the sword to enforce Catholic hegemony.
Trent has never been repudiated by the Vatican, that I have seen any documentation for.
Officially, because we will not bow the knee to the Vatican, nor submit to its sacraments, we are ANATHEMA.
“Anathema” still means accursed in any non-rubberized dictionary. It’s hard to get them to say directly that unless we submit to their “baptism” we are hell-bound with the pedel down, but that’s what they believe.
This is what I run into, also. If it's what you believe, then stand up for it. Why try to hide your beliefs? After all, if the 'one true Church' cannot admit what they believe, how in the world do they expect everyone else to join in this ecumenical paradise?
How are you doing? I haven't seen you posting in a while! Hope everything is going great for you..:)
We are, admittedly, pretty thoroughly trained these days to not definitively say that one is going to hell (that's sort of God's job, not ours), but intentional rejection of baptism is a pretty cut and dried situation.
Can. 849 Baptism, the gateway to the sacraments and necessary for salvation by actual reception or at least by desire, is validly conferred only by a washing of true water with the proper form of words. Through baptism men and women are freed from sin, are reborn as children of God, and, configured to Christ by an indelible character, are incorporated into the Church.
If somebody doesn't agree with the above, then, well, he or she will find out if he/she was right come the day of his/her particular judgment.
Oh, and by the way, just for the record:
Can. 861 §1. The ordinary minister of baptism is a bishop, a presbyter, or a deacon, without prejudice to the prescript of ⇒ can. 530, n. 1.
§2. When an ordinary minister is absent or impeded, a catechist or another person designated for this function by the local ordinary, or in a case of necessity any person with the right intention, confers baptism licitly. Pastors of souls, especially the pastor of a parish, are to be concerned that the Christian faithful are taught the correct way to baptize.
And from the Catechism:
1256 The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon. In case of necessity, any person, even someone not baptized, can baptize, if he has the required intention. the intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes, and to apply the Trinitarian baptismal formula. the Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation.
So if you're going to say what we believe, you might as well have it from the horse's mouth, as it were.