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To: smvoice

You misunderstand the Immaculate Conception. Mary was free of original sin, yes, but she was conceived and born *in the natural way* to her parents Anna and Joachim. She was conceived as a result of sexual intercourse.

She is a creature, not a divine being.


86 posted on 11/20/2010 6:34:04 AM PST by Claud
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To: Claud
"We declare, pronounce, and define that the doctrine which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instant of her conception, by a singular grace and priviledge granted by Almighty God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved free from all stain of original sin, is a doctrine revealed by God and therefore to be believed firmly and constantly by all the faithful." - Ineffabilis Deus. Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus.

The Church teaches that she was created without a sin nature and was "ever absolutely free of all stain of sin, all fair and perfect". - Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus.

And she remained "free of every personal sin her whole life long." The German Bishop's Conference, The Church's Confession of Faith (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1987), p. 46m quoting J.A. Mohler.

Claude, the original sin I understand, but if you read the next two, they say she was ever absolutely free of ALL stain of sin, and she remained free of every personal sin her whole life long.

That is a big difference. THey are saying she was conceived free of sin and was sinless her entire life. Just like Jesus Christ.

How can this be, in your opinion?

ANother one that seems equally confusing is this:

"From the very beginning, and before time began, the eternal Father chose and prepared for his only-begotten Son a Mother in whom the Son of GOd would become incarnate and from whom, in the blessed fullness of time, he would be born into this world. Above all creatures did God so love her that truly in her was the Father well pleased." -Ineffabilis Deus. Pope Pius IX.

emphasis mine.

95 posted on 11/20/2010 10:13:14 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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