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To: blasater1960

Thanks for the feedback.

I hadn’t studied the etymology of the term Holocaust, as presented here, but that does manifest quite a bit. Both regarding the Greek and Hebrew origins.

WRT religious degeneracy, the study places faith in God through what He has provided in Christ Jesus. Had He not been resurrected nor ascended, then from a worldly perspective only relying on a different interpretation of the OT canon, not identifying Jesus Christ as both Son of God and Son of Man might have some academic merit, but history is substantially beyond that point, not to mention the authority given Him at the Session.

The doctrine of the hypostatic union goes far in better describing the role of Christ Jesus during the first Advent.

We both agree to the Lord and God being one God, in the sense of the Alpha glory, but where we might differ is that I also identify with His role in the Omega glory as the god-man in Christ Jesus.

If you get a chance, you may want to study and consider the doctrine of the Hypostatic Union, not by what man provides, but by what God the Holy Spirit is able to lead.


5 posted on 11/15/2010 2:48:54 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr; papabrody
The Jews who rejected Christ have through their own free will rejected the signs which God provided for Israel: circumcision, the Exodus miracles, the virgin birth, the sign of the cross, and the resurrection.

Jews have not rejected circumsion or the exodus miracles, so I'm not sure where the author gets that.

The virgin birth was not prophesied in Isaiah that is why it is rejected.

Is 7 is about a prophecy of a young woman, not virgin and She is to name him Immanuel. The sign is for King Ahaz. What was the sign? Not a virgin birth! But by the time the child reaches the age of maturity, the two enemy kings will be dealt with. It is not the birth of the child but the age of the child that is the sign!

A virgin birth that would occur 700 years in the future would be of NO value to King Ahaz. Mary did not name Jesus Immanuel. Jesus in the greek is the hebrew name Joshua or Yehoshua. Two completely different meanings. Jesus has nothing to do with Isaiah 7.

The cross is also rejected by Jewish teaching because A) Human sacrifice is forbidden B) Human vicarious atonement is forbidden C) The cross is a invalid form of sacrfice and invalid place of sacrifice. Jesus did not sacrifice by rapid blood loss at the neck but suffocated. What blood was shed was not sprinkled on the altar and hid fat and innards were not burned. He therefore was not a sacrifice of anykind.

The resurection is not a valid sign of the messiah. We will all be resurrected in the end of days, so that is not a unique event of the messiah.

Jews can't evade the responsibility for their bad decisions. In arrogance and unbelief they invite holocaust treatment.

Blame the victim? It is teachings of the church that lead to the holocaust...not the Jews or their behavior.

Catholic decrees against the Jews

Luthers views and effects on the holocaust

8 posted on 11/15/2010 9:18:04 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: Cvengr
...you may want to study and consider the doctrine of the Hypostatic Union, not by what man provides, but by what God the Holy Spirit is able to lead.

I meant to touch on this too. FRiend I have studied the hypostatic union at length for many years. It is a wholly pagan concept not rooted in scripture.

Deut 49 Only be careful, and watch yourselves closely so that you do not forget the things your eyes have seen or let them fade from your heart as long as you live. Teach them to your children and to their children after them. 10 Remember the day you stood before the LORD your God at Horeb, when he said to me, “Assemble the people before me to hear my words so that they may learn to revere me as long as they live in the land and may teach them to their children.” 11 You came near and stood at the foot of the mountain while it blazed with fire to the very heavens, with black clouds and deep darkness. 12 Then the LORD spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of words but saw no form; there was only a voice. 13 He declared to you his covenant, the Ten Commandments, which he commanded you to follow and then wrote them on two stone tablets. 14 And the LORD directed me at that time to teach you the decrees and laws you are to follow in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess.

15 You saw no form of any kind the day the LORD spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman,....

Hosea 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not a man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the Son of Man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Isaiah 18 To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare with Him?

Isaiah 46 To whom would you liken Me And make Me equal and compare Me, That we would be alike?

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting...

You saw NO FORM, I am G-d and not a man, to what likeness will you compare, Whom would you liken to him, do not worship ANY likeness in heaven, on earth or below the sea.

G-d goes out of His way to make it clear. He is ALONE, solitary, One: Isaiah 43: Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. 11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior. 12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed— I,

No other savior...I have revealed! No addtional information of G-ds nature to be revealed...that is it. One G-d, fully revealed at Sinai...

The hypostatic union makes G-d out to be a liar. For thousands of years the Jewish (Israelites)people believe in a G-d who is not a man or object, they are punished (exiled) for pursuing other gods and then 1500 years after Sinai, we are supposed to believe that G-d is now a man? That he hid his nature from us? Told us he is alone when he is not? He has 3 personages in the godhead not one? That a human personage is also in the god head? That he killed himself for our sins when a blood sacrifice isnt even required (Lev 5:11) When repentance, charity and prayer are perfectly acceptable means of grace? No to all of that. G-d does not require us to accept a new Torah, the Original Torah, the Original Gospel is forever. Deut 4:2" You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

9 posted on 11/15/2010 10:06:16 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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