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http://billrandles.wordpress.com ^ | 11-14-10 | Bill Randles

Posted on 11/13/2010 7:33:36 PM PST by pastorbillrandles

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1 posted on 11/13/2010 7:33:40 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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God does not lie. And atheists do not believe.

What more can be said, if they will not believe, and He does not lie.

2 posted on 11/13/2010 7:38:06 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

God made the universe and man. Man made his ego the size of the universe.


3 posted on 11/13/2010 7:38:49 PM PST by badpacifist (Conservative Nut Job? Yes I have nuts and a job.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Why not just agree to disagree about religion and keep him in your thoughts and prayers... Its good to be able to respect people of all faiths.


4 posted on 11/13/2010 7:39:32 PM PST by adamjefferson
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To: pastorbillrandles

Send him a copy of Lee Stroble’s “A Case for Christ,” and a copy of C.S. Lewis’ “Mere Christianity.”


5 posted on 11/13/2010 7:40:05 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others)
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<<”Oh, another contributing factor to this Atheistic revival,is the man centered, shallow but pervasive “evangelicalism” of the last forty years, that in the interest of being relevant, have presented a contemptible spirituality, denuded of the real gospel, the real Jesus and the true Spirit of God.”>>

Yep. Exactly.


6 posted on 11/13/2010 7:40:34 PM PST by dinoparty
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What do you mean by “respect people of all faiths”? In your mind, are all faiths equally valid?


7 posted on 11/13/2010 7:42:24 PM PST by LiteKeeper ("Psalm 109:8")
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To: adamjefferson

Thanks but the highest respect I can imagine is to engage him in his ideas, in the name of Jesus.


8 posted on 11/13/2010 7:43:48 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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I suspect that “maintaining your intellectual integrity” will not mean much when he goes before the White Throne of Judgement.
9 posted on 11/13/2010 7:44:07 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SVTCobra03

Sadly true, and can you believe that even he had quoted to me, “The heart is decietful, who can know it” out of Jeremiah 17? How ironic!!


10 posted on 11/13/2010 7:45:55 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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hi pastor bill,

yes i feel your frustration and pain. i think your honest approach is likely not the way to deal with atheism, as a person who takes that position is all ready in the process of rejecting god.

my two cents: don’t reject atheism out of hand. provide a frame work including history, philosopy and people to explain the rise and purpose of atheism (as a faith in itself, having it’s own creation story in the theory of natural selection) and how it is at bottom a marxist manipulation in order to gain power over the atheist.

explain why people in power what you to believe in atheism.

hope that helps.


11 posted on 11/13/2010 7:47:05 PM PST by dadfly
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Thanks Dadfly- I appreciate the insight, I have got to get the “wise as serpents “ part down...


12 posted on 11/13/2010 7:51:36 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

Is he smart enough to see that exchanging an eternal, uncreated deity for an eternal, uncreated universe gets him no closer to the truth? In that context the only answer that makes sense to me is the metaphysical one.


13 posted on 11/13/2010 7:53:16 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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Not saying that this is the only possible approach, but I find that all ills and philosophies and intellectual masks come down to a misunderstanding or rejection of these foundational Scriptural truths:

1. Holy God
2. Sinful man
3. Grace through Christ

Each apprehended in proper sequence resolves nearly every other question; it also puts one in the proper relationship to God for the Holy Spirit to work.


14 posted on 11/13/2010 7:53:57 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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15 posted on 11/13/2010 7:54:58 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: Trod Upon

good point- thanks


16 posted on 11/13/2010 7:56:08 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: LiteKeeper

No, not all faiths are equal, but all humans are born pretty much equal... how much respect I give each person depends generally on how well that person behaves in society.


17 posted on 11/13/2010 7:56:47 PM PST by adamjefferson
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Your right on brother- thats what it comes down to-


18 posted on 11/13/2010 7:56:51 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: adamjefferson
In my life, there comes a time when I love someone so much and see their value, their God-given value, that I can't just “respect their position”. To me, that is like saying “I really don't love you much anyway and if you spend eternity separate from God, then, that's o.k.” I can't do that to people I love. This “respect” thing has gotten out of hand big time... i.e., respect homosexuals, respect muslims who want to kill me, respect people who advocate killing what I know are babies in the womb...

Where does it stop? I can't “respect” i.e., go along with/accept, sin which hurts those who practice it. I love people too much for that. And SIN does hurt people..just see the results: guilt/sadness/pain/

19 posted on 11/13/2010 8:02:13 PM PST by bareford101 (Be loud! We have nothing – NOTHING - to apologize for in fighting for our Country!!)
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In my life, there comes a time when I love someone so much and see their value, their God-given value, that I can't just “respect their position”. To me, that is like saying “I really don't love you much anyway and if you spend eternity separate from God, then, that's o.k.” I can't do that to people I love. This “respect” thing has gotten out of hand big time... i.e., respect homosexuals, respect muslims who want to kill me, respect people who advocate killing what I know are babies in the womb...

Where does it stop? I can't “respect” i.e., go along with/accept, sin which hurts those who practice it. I love people too much for that. And SIN does hurt people..just see the results: guilt/sadness/pain/

20 posted on 11/13/2010 8:02:27 PM PST by bareford101 (Be loud! We have nothing – NOTHING - to apologize for in fighting for our Country!!)
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