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To: 1010RD; metmom; reaganaut; Godzilla; Colofornian; Tennessee Nana; xzins; SZonian; ejonesie22; ...
"You don’t have to agree, you just can see that there are logical and faithful God-loving interpretations that are different from what you believe." 1010rd

The Pharisees lved God in Jesus's day, with a zeal unmatched even by devout Mormons! But they were wrong and on the highway to Hell. You attempt to gray the meaning so a twisted perspective has room to fester. Satan uses that technique. But the Bible gives its own true meaning into the seeking heart, so let’s read what the Gospel of John has to show us. Pay attention to what the witnesses, the 'God loving' Jews to whom Jesus spoke, say He was doing in their eyes and ears ... I've underlined it for you:

John 10: 24-30 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.I and my Father are one.

Verse 31: Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

Verses 32 - 33 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Verses 36 - 38 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

Verse 39: Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand

Read then the first fourteen verses of chapter eleven: Because God the Father Almighty was/is/ever shall be in Jesus as a glorified man, He could calls Lazarus’s state of being dead in the body merely being asleep [see I Thess 4 for Paul‘s use of the same meaning]. Jesus said He and The Father are One, not two in common purpose but ONE, as in The Same Being. And He worked the works God in Him showed Him to do for the Glory of God by the Glory of God in The Son. [God’s perspective of time is not linear, Jesus as God in a man walked among us having made Himself a little lower than the angels: Hebrews 2:7 - 9] This dual state of being in God The Father Almighty and God The Father Almighty being in Him is possible only by the work of the Holy Spirit OF GOD. God raises the dead, as shown in passages in the Tanahk. Jesus proclaimed to the Pharisees that He IS God with them; the eleventh chapter confirms God with us

884 posted on 11/14/2010 7:16:38 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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The Gospel of John shows us regarding God and Jesus as ONE by the presence/power of The Holy Spirit of God. The Pharisees questioning Jesus understood that ‘The Christ‘ would be God with them, so they demanded of Him that He tell them striaght, was He The Christ? These were god-loving men and they were standing before God damned in/by their doubting.


886 posted on 11/14/2010 7:27:35 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
Your interpretation of "one" is wrong:

http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/1520.htm

Check here: http://biblos.com/john/10-30.htm

This is particularly pertinent for this group:

http://biblos.com/john/10-33.htm

But this is the final straw:

New Living Translation (©2007) But if I do his work, believe in the evidence of the miraculous works I have done, even if you don't believe me. Then you will know and understand that the Father is in me, and I am in the Father."

Study the Greek here: http://biblos.com/john/10-38.htm

The Greek word ἐν translated above as "in" makes more sense as "with" see here: http://strongsnumbers.com/greek/1722.htm

It makes more sense in the context that Jesus is using this way:

But if I do his work, believe in the evidence of the miraculous works I have done, even if you don't believe me. Then you will know and understand that the Father is [with] me, and I am [with] the Father."

Jesus clearly distinguishes between himself and his father and so should we...unless you absolutely must believe in the Trinity.

Then just ignore it and go on with life.

889 posted on 11/14/2010 7:50:49 AM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: MHGinTN

For understanding this subject it may be pertinent to remember that Jesus was truly man and truly God. John saw the resurrected truly man part of God standing next to the Father. The resurrected side Jesus is the man side of His nature.


892 posted on 11/14/2010 8:19:58 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: MHGinTN

Stunt Mormon strikes again...


896 posted on 11/14/2010 10:55:59 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: MHGinTN

Stunt Mormon strikes again...


897 posted on 11/14/2010 10:55:59 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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