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To: Normandy
Let's take a closer look at the faith and works issue, from two who met the Lord in person after His resurrection.

James 1: 22-25 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. [The ‘work’ James speaks of being a doer thereof is faithing in God’s Promise to the Saved, not to those hoping to someday be saved. James is addressing the process of faithing (verb) in the Holy Spirit guide within, Who transforms us during the rest of our life int he flesh. Following is Paul’s address to this same concept of the Saved being transformed by faithing in God. Notice Paul's use of the present tense--actually the present perfect--when explaining this process of faithing in God's transforming presence within the believer.]

Romans 8:9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. [Because of His righteousness in you in the presence of His Holy Spirit in your before dead human spirit.] 11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

Romans 8:12 Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, 14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.

77 posted on 11/06/2010 1:35:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Normandy
Please focus upon the specific teaching here:
Romans 8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live".

Momronism teaches you to try by your works to put to deatht he misdeeds/theadamic nature, but the Bible teaches you to BY THE Spirit of Him Who dwells in you to put to death the adamic nature. If you could do it, why would Paul and James address this as a Holy Spirit accomplishement for which you cannot take prideful credit?

78 posted on 11/06/2010 1:42:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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