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To: MarkBsnr; smvoice; Quix
we are adopted sons

St. Paul speaks in stronger terms, speaking of "grafting" replacing the old branches broken off. Further, the genetic Israel itself is broken off and in need of re-grafting:

[16] For if the firstfruit be holy, so is the lump also: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. [17] And if some of the branches be broken, and thou, being a wild olive, art ingrafted in them, and art made partaker of the root, and of the fatness of the olive tree, [18] Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. [19] Thou wilt say then: The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. [20] Well: because of unbelief they were broken off. But thou standest by faith: be not highminded, but fear.

[21] For if God hath not spared the natural branches, fear lest perhaps he also spare not thee. [22] See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God, if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. [23] And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. [24] For if thou wert cut out of the wild olive tree, which is natural to thee; and, contrary to nature, were grafted into the good olive tree; how much more shall they that are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

(Romans 11)

When a branch is broken off and another grafted in, that is replacement, even though every connotation that the Replacement theology has accrued may not be there. To wit, the genetical Israel is prophesied to be regrafted in a more natural way.
804 posted on 11/05/2010 5:57:07 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
When a branch is broken off and another grafted in, that is replacement, even though every connotation that the Replacement theology has accrued may not be there. To wit, the genetical Israel is prophesied to be regrafted in a more natural way.

I'd lean to the explanation that the main vine is Christ, and we Catholics are grafted in to Christ, with the Jews as the natural branches that grow from it. Then there are the idiots who cry Lord, Lord...

815 posted on 11/05/2010 6:55:31 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: annalex

No huge quibble about that.

It’s just Biblically clear that God has NOT flushed genetic Israel and that HIS PROMISES TO genetic Israel WILL BE FULFILLED TO THE LETTER. We, as spiritual Israel get to get in on the goodies, through Christ’s Blood and grafting us in.


819 posted on 11/05/2010 8:03:53 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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