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To: Judith Anne; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
Oh, funny! Women don't transfer the "sin nature" to their children?

Nope.

What a JOKE!

It's in the Bible. Read it yourself some time. You might actually learn something.

Mary didn't, because she was preserved from all stain of sin by Christ, her Son, Who was also her Savior.

But God couldn't have preserved Christ from the stain of sin from HIS mother just like you guys claim that Mary was preserved from the stain of sin from HER mother? Why would God not be capable of that? Why would Christ be more easily contaminated with sin than Mary? Isn't He as good as her?

If God could keep Mary sin free being born of a sinful mother, He could have kept Jesus sin free being born of a sinful mother.

Or are you implying that Mary is capable of something Jesus isn't? Jesus is more susceptible to the stain of sin than Mary was? If God could do it for Mary with her mother, He could have done it for Jesus with His mother. Mary didn't need to be sin free to bear a sin free child any more than Mary's mother needed to be sin free to bear Mary (allegedly) sin free.

The *logic* falls apart. If God could do it for Mary, He could do the exact same thing for Jesus. Mary did not need to be sin free.

Every other woman transfers her own "sin nature" to her children, as does every man to his children.

That is totally unscriptural and hence, not true.

Romans 5:12-21 12Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— 13for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.

15But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. 16And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. 17For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.

18Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. 20Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The sin nature comes from the man, not the woman. Eve was deceived. Adam sinned deliberately.

The reason Jesus could be born sin free is because the sin nature comes through the man, not the woman. God was Jesus' father. No sin nature.

6,854 posted on 01/07/2011 2:49:19 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; judithann
she was preserved from all stain of sin by Christ, her Son, Who was also her Savior

Judith's statement makes absolutely so sense...if Mary was sinless, (which she herself admits she wasn't), then she'd have no need of a Savior. Only sinners need a savior.

6,856 posted on 01/07/2011 3:01:22 PM PST by caww
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To: metmom

That is so twisted.

Where did you get your sin nature? Your father? Your mother never sinned? You never sinned and passed that on to your children? What kind of fairy tale do you live in?

ALL have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God. WOMEN AND MEN. Mary was the only one preserved from sin, that was to bear Christ. Christ was her Savior, as He is the Savior of all mankind, WOMEN AND MEN.

God could certainly have done anything. He is capable of whatever He wishes. I am not implying that Mary is capable of anything on her own. I did not say she was capable of anything on her own. By the power and will of God, Mary was saved from all stain of original sin; Christ was her Savior, as He is the Savior of all the world. If If If means nothing.

You make it sound like women have no sin nature; that would mean we don’t need a Savior. You may be perfect, I am not, and I need Christ Jesus, my Lord and Savior, Risen Son of Almighty God, as much as any human on this planet.


6,857 posted on 01/07/2011 3:02:17 PM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: metmom; Judith Anne; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; Quix; ...
The sin nature comes from the man, not the woman. Eve was deceived. Adam sinned deliberately.

The reason Jesus could be born sin free is because the sin nature comes through the man, not the woman. God was Jesus' father. No sin nature.

Amen. Great post all around.

This is basic Christianity 101 and I'm embarrassed to say I didn't really learn it until a few years ago right here on the FR RF. Probably from one of the saints pinged above.

But don't worry, Judith. Now that you know the sin nature is passed through the father, you won't have to mistakenly tell us that our sin nature comes through the mother.

And God willing, this fact will help RCs further to understand why it was not necessary (as Rome insists) that Mary be sinless in order to give birth to a blameless, sinless Christ. God was His Father, and thus no sin nature was imparted.

So Adam and his male progeny get most of the blame in messing things up in Eden. As women, we can play dumb and hum along -- "I didn't know you was a snake when I took you in."

6,872 posted on 01/07/2011 5:39:11 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose))
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To: metmom; Dr. Eckleburg; Judith Anne; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; ...
The sin nature comes from the man, not the woman. Eve was deceived. Adam sinned deliberately.

Absolutely correct. You get the golden star today. Paul not only says this once but twice in scripture. Yet I don't know HOW many preachers and commentaries state that Adam and Eve sinned as if their sins were equal. They both sinned but sin came into the world through man-not woman.

But the question the Catholics never seem to have an answer for is that if God was able to keep Mary from sinning, why doesn't He just keep every one of us from sinning? If God wants everyone saved, then why doesn't He simply will everyone not to sin like the Catholics states that He did with Mary?

The obvious answer is that not everyone is meant to be saved. That's just the way it is.

BTW-I like Dr. E toe tapper. :O)

6,878 posted on 01/07/2011 6:06:30 PM PST by HarleyD
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