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To: MarkBsnr
The Church saved Europe from the Muslims a couple of times, sure. M

According to the Catholic Church's catechism 841 it states:

So exactly what did the Church save Europe from?

It succeeded because of the drive for power by the German princes, but it started because of the practices of the Church, sure.

And where does the will of God fits into all of this?

Being a little presumptuous? When is your church going to open its vaults so we can see what's in it?

Actually, every Protestant church or organization that I have ever attended or support fully disclose their assets and liabilities at the end of each year. They usually do this in a fund raising letter. :O)

As for me, how much I make, how much my wife make, and just about all of our assets are floating around on the Internet which people who know us have been able to piece together. Trust me. My net worth is a sad, sad story.

6,509 posted on 01/02/2011 5:43:41 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
The Church saved Europe from the Muslims a couple of times, sure. M

According to the Catholic Church's catechism 841 it states:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[330]

So exactly what did the Church save Europe from?

The invading forces of these very same Muslims.

It succeeded because of the drive for power by the German princes, but it started because of the practices of the Church, sure.

And where does the will of God fits into all of this?

Where it always does.

Being a little presumptuous? When is your church going to open its vaults so we can see what's in it?

Actually, every Protestant church or organization that I have ever attended or support fully disclose their assets and liabilities at the end of each year. They usually do this in a fund raising letter. :O)

As for me, how much I make, how much my wife make, and just about all of our assets are floating around on the Internet which people who know us have been able to piece together. Trust me. My net worth is a sad, sad story.

Actually, each parish and diocese does the same. I'm not sure of how much of my net worth is on the Internet, but I suspect that if your records are out there, so are mine. I'm not going to make Forbes anytime soon, either...

But what's in the Vatican vaults? There is a recent effort begun to start to clean them out, but I'm not sure of any of the details.

6,511 posted on 01/02/2011 5:53:20 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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