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To: MarkBsnr
And what does Paul tell us to do? To follow the traditions whether oral or written of the Church!!!

You can't do any of those things without changing a word here or there; adding and subtracting...Or, without going outside of the context of what was written...Just as you did with this statement...

Paul told us to follow the traditions whether written OR oral of the Apostles which had been spoken...

2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Which had been taught and of course by Revelation of Jesus Christ...NOT some idea that will be invented in a thousand years to be called tradition put out by any or every religion that claims the name of Jesus

6,206 posted on 12/29/2010 2:45:12 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
Standing applause, sir.

You have stated it correctly. Now what are these traditions?

which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Notice the order - it is key. What word? The word of the Church. Not the Word - that is Jesus, but the word. What word? Since none of the NT has been written, it is ONLY by the word of the Church teaching the new Christians. And what are they teaching them? The Faith of the Church. Where is it written down? Nowhere. It is held in the great oral tradition of the Jews, only the information is that of Christianity, not Judaism.

The NT Scripture is a result of the Church, not vice versa. If you shape your man made Church according to the translations of translations of copies of copies of Scripture, you are liable to wind up with, well, whatever Rex Humbard or Rick Warren or James Bakker or.... come up with in order to fill the tents. Or the LaZBoy Throne in the Hall of Sunday Sports Worship...

Which had been taught and of course by Revelation of Jesus Christ...NOT some idea that will be invented in a thousand years to be called tradition put out by any or every religion that claims the name of Jesus

Put 1500 years in that message, and you're several steps closer to Christianity. Congratulations, sir. In all of our verbal jousting, I never thought that you'd come out with something this close to Christianity. I congratulate you.

6,208 posted on 12/29/2010 2:54:57 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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