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To: count-your-change
"Ahhh...the reliably spurious letters of Ignatius, contradictory, agenda driven, and written by how many different authors?"

There are a number of what we believe to be spurious. Frankly, I think there is little doubt that some of them are fakes and the product of agendas, especially the letters to Panagia and +John. Even the Latins admit these are fakes. But the letter to the Smyrneans, which I referenced, is pretty generally accepted as being authentic.

"I don’t worship the so-called “Church Fathers”."

Neither do I. I don't worship a book either.

5,931 posted on 12/27/2010 2:06:19 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Kolokotronis; count-your-change; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; ...
Neither do I. I don't worship a book either.

I don't know anyone who does.

If you're believing the false accusations of those who are simply reacting to their idolatry exposed by making a counter claim, you'll end up falling for all kinds of deceptions.

Since non-Catholics are accused of worshiping a book simply because it's held as the standard for truth and people believe that it is adequate for knowledge pertaining to salvation, but that *logic* any who follow the pope, or tradition, can likewise be accused of worshiping the pope or tradition.

5,933 posted on 12/27/2010 2:12:33 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Kolokotronis

If any of the letters of Ignatius were really authored by a historical Ignatius (doubtful) they would remain his opinions, nothing more.


5,939 posted on 12/27/2010 3:11:57 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Kolokotronis; count-your-change
".... Even the Latins admit these are fakes. But the letter to the Smyrneans, which I referenced, is pretty generally accepted as being authentic."

But which one? The Short, the Mid, or the Long Recension?

They can't all be authentic can they?

6,046 posted on 12/28/2010 2:31:58 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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