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To: Kolokotronis; count-your-change; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; ...
Absolutely. My people have preserved it. I have no problem with honest, correct translations, faithful to the original insofar as is possible in languages like English and German. I will not accept, however, the work of propagandists and liars.

And yet I don't recall you telling anyone which you consider the most accurate translation going. Or what the major issues are with the other ones with specific examples of what the problem areas are. Although I could have easily missed it as I don't read every post from every FReeper.

But yeah,..... we can all see that you're so much better than everyone else. So much superior to all the rest of us peons because of your knowledge of Greek. Even though koine Greek isn't actually modern Greek, but details, details......

Too bad all that knowledge isn't doing you any good.

1 Corinthians 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

For all the snobbery and condescension that Catholics display towards others that they perceive as being more ignorant than they, it doesn't do any good when they can't even come close to interpreting Scripture correctly. Applying two different standards of interpretation within one passage in a vain bid to provide support for their unScriptural doctrines, will undo any amount of knowledge of the original language.

And besides, you're not the only one who knows Greek. Nor are you the only one who has access to Greek manuscripts. There are multitudes of references and dictionaries available to those who wish to study Scripture and get as close to the original meaning of the original texts as possible, something you can't even do better because koine Greek is not modern Greek.

Knowledge puffs up but love builds up.

Don't be ever learning and never being able to come to a knowledge of the truth. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. Come to Christ in humility and learn and receive eternal life.

Of course it does. I can read the words as they were alleged to have been written...and I understand the words within the context they were written.

Alleged to be written? Only alleged? What good would it do you to know the language as you claim, if you apparently don't even trust what was transcribed?

5,895 posted on 12/26/2010 9:35:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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5,900 posted on 12/26/2010 9:57:25 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: metmom; Kolokotronis

I think I understand the idea here, let’s see....MY PEOPLE preserved the plays allegedly written by William Shakespear since I speak and read English and have some English ancestors.


5,902 posted on 12/26/2010 11:28:29 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: metmom; count-your-change; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums
"And yet I don't recall you telling anyone which you consider the most accurate translation going. Or what the major issues are with the other ones with specific examples of what the problem areas are. Although I could have easily missed it as I don't read every post from every FReeper."

The most accurate? Well, the most accurate of a very bad lot, but I'd say the NKJV so long as one has a good listing of the variant readings. As for what the major issues are, well, mm, with all due respect, we've been talking about them for several years here now. I didn't keep a list of them. I can tell you that anything which translates εστιν as "symbolizes" or "represents" or "signifies" is garbage.

"But yeah,..... we can all see that you're so much better than everyone else. So much superior to all the rest of us peons because of your knowledge of Greek. Even though koine Greek isn't actually modern Greek, but details, details......"

Koine is different from modern Greek and both are different from Byzantine Greek. I have degrees in ancient, koine and Byzantine Greek.

"Alleged to be written? Only alleged? What good would it do you to know the language as you claim, if you apparently don't even trust what was transcribed?"

Yes, only alleged. I say this because there are simply too many variant manuscripts to determine which one, if there is one, was actually written by any given author. For example, do you believe that +Paul wrote Hebrews? If so, why? What about Matthew? Did +Matthew write it? And which version is correct? I suppose it's a safe bet that +John wrote his gospel, but which version? I honestly don't care whether or not the various books of the NT were really written by the authors to whom the works are attributed. I also don't loose any sleep over whether or not the Johannine Comma, for example, is original or spurious. I am not a bible worshiper. Treating the bible like a Mohammedan treats the koran is heresy. My Faith comes from the Holy Spirit as a free gift through The Church.

5,906 posted on 12/27/2010 5:14:23 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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