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To: kosta50; OLD REGGIE; Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; metmom; stfassisi; boatbums
"Remember it's not about flesh but about the person."

No, it is not, in either sense. It is about one hypostasis joined in hypostatic union in the Ousia of the Most Most Holy Trinity. The hypostasis singly or in hypostatic union is Ο ΩΝ. How else would you have True God and True Man speak to man? I'll grant you that a command like "Bow, bow, ye lower middle classes!Bow, bow, ye tradesmen, bow, ye masses!" might have made matters more clear, but it didn't work that way, God's ways not being our ways, Kosta mou.

Off to watch some mindless sci-fi! :)

5,778 posted on 12/23/2010 7:21:49 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Kolokotronis; MarkBsnr; metmom; stfassisi; OLD REGGIE; boatbums
It is about one hypostasis joined in hypostatic union in the Ousia of the Most Most Holy Trinity

Okay, let's just say one individual. That individual does not include himself in the Good in the example above. That individual considers himself lesser than the Father. That individual says he was sent and didn't come on his own. That individual says it is not his will but the Father's that should be done. That individual calls the Father his God and, according to Apostle Paul, that individual was raised by God (but the Church says he raised himself), and he also says God is the head of that individual, and so on and so on.

All this is straight from the NT. In all this, and in numerous other examples, that individual is never, ever, said to be equal to the Father, and that's the subordinaitonalist (demiurgic) view that was taught by all Christian apologetics for almost three centuries.

And, despite maintaining the "monarchy" of the Father, who is without a cause and who doesn't need the Son and the Spirit to "be", and who gave "existence" to the Son and the Spirit, the Church insists the three Hypostases are co-equal and existed for all eternity as one being, and that this cannot be "explained" but must be believed. The OT is a fairytale compared to this.

And then the Eastern Church rejects the Latin transubstantiation on the grounds that it attempts to explain the inexplicable mystery!

5,793 posted on 12/24/2010 5:30:10 AM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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