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To: stfassisi; Forest Keeper
“”All double predestination means is that God is sovereign and He chooses His children and who will be with Him in Heaven.””

Everyone is chosen to be God’s children,it’s our free decisions that send us to hell and has nothing to do with God sovereignty deciding from eternity.God can only desire goodness in creation since that is His essence.Hell is completed connected to mans decisions to do evil

“Thou lovest all things that are, and hatest nothing of the things that Thou hast made” (Wisd. xi, 25)

If one examines Scriptural inclusion of the 'reprobate', one discovers that there are only 3 instances and only in Paul. They speak of reprobate of works and of faith. Not of the pre-damned of Reformed theology.

5,722 posted on 12/22/2010 6:23:52 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
If one examines Scriptural inclusion of the 'reprobate', one discovers that there are only 3 instances and only in Paul. They speak of reprobate of works and of faith. Not of the pre-damned of Reformed theology.

Exactly!

5,724 posted on 12/22/2010 6:36:34 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: MarkBsnr; stfassisi
If one examines Scriptural inclusion of the 'reprobate', one discovers that there are only 3 instances and only in Paul. They speak of reprobate of works and of faith. Not of the pre-damned of Reformed theology.

There are some places that hint at the idea of foreordination of the reprobate, such as:

1 Pet. 2:7-8 : 7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, “The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone,” 8 and, “A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.” They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

However, the doctrine isn't explicitly laid out in scripture. Predestination of the elect is in many places, though. Double predestination just means that there is predestination without universal salvation. And it should be pointed out that the doctrines are not symmetrical. God DOES grant the grace which leads unto salvation, but God does NOT work evil into the reprobate, making them lost forever.

5,817 posted on 12/24/2010 11:41:26 AM PST by Forest Keeper ((It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.))
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