To: OLD REGGIE; annalex
“Somewhere along the way “catholic” (adjective) became “Catholic” (and used as a proper noun.) ie. “Catholic Church”.”
Pretty much after the Great Schism. In the West (and here on FR)the term “Catholic” became identified solely with the Church of Rome. In the East we still call The Church (Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox) “Catholic”. And we call the Church of Rome, the Roman Catholic Church.
Truth be told, it is funny to see Roman Catholics say that +Ignatius of Antioch was speaking, apparently exclusively, of the operation headquartered today in Rome and saying he used a “capital C” (in Greek which has no “c”) when he wrote to the Smyrneans that the “catholic” church was where the bishop is.
5,706 posted on
12/22/2010 1:22:59 PM PST by
Kolokotronis
(Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
To: Kolokotronis; annalex; kosta50; OLD REGGIE
Truth be told, it is funny to see Roman Catholics say that +Ignatius of Antioch was speaking, apparently exclusively, of the operation headquartered today in Rome and saying he used a capital C (in Greek which has no c) when he wrote to the Smyrneans that the catholic church was where the bishop is. Not all Latins are exclusively Rome-centric. The ancient five sees are, well, the equals.
5,714 posted on
12/22/2010 4:29:20 PM PST by
MarkBsnr
(I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
To: Kolokotronis; annalex
Somewhere along the way catholic (adjective) became Catholic (and used as a proper noun.) ie. Catholic Church.
Pretty much after the Great Schism. In the West (and here on FR)the term Catholic became identified solely with the Church of Rome. In the East we still call The Church (Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox) Catholic. And we call the Church of Rome, the Roman Catholic Church.
Truth be told, it is funny to see Roman Catholics say that +Ignatius of Antioch was speaking, apparently exclusively, of the operation headquartered today in Rome and saying he used a capital C (in Greek which has no c) when he wrote to the Smyrneans that the catholic church was where the bishop is. Of course you are right. However, I don't believe it is "funny" as in Ha Ha funny, but is an example of extreme arrogance or extreme ignorance (take your pick).
5,751 posted on
12/23/2010 8:58:28 AM PST by
OLD REGGIE
(I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
To: Kolokotronis; OLD REGGIE; MarkBsnr; boatbums; kosta50
See my previous post on this subject.
St. Ignatius did not merely say that “Catholic Church is where the bishop is”. He also wrote about the centrality of the belief in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. My point is never that St. Ignatius was Catholic as opposed to Orthodox, — in general there is nothing in Eastern Orthodox Churches that is not Catholic in doctrine, — but that he was Catholic as opposed to Protestant.
6,383 posted on
01/01/2011 7:34:01 PM PST by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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