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To: annalex; boatbums; RnMomof7; metmom
And you also take this literally? JOHN 10:7

In John 10 we see that a metaphor is being given. Observe that a minute later Jesus becomes a shepherd rather than a door, and each time there is an explanation fo the metaphor in direct terms: salvation is by Jesus as entry into the sheephold is through the door, Jesus gives His life for us like a shepherd would give his for the sheep. In the words of Institution ("This is my body", etc) there is no room to see a metaphor: there is no explanation in what sense is the bread now His body and there is an instruction to the Apostles to "do this". You don't tell people to "do" metaphors.

JOHN 6:63 It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.

But Jesus did tell them to do it in remembrance of Him.

Matthew 26:
26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; this is my body."
27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, "Drink of it, all of you;
28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

5,471 posted on 12/16/2010 10:14:33 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE; boatbums; RnMomof7; metmom; blue-duncan; Iscool; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; ...
combining your adjacent posts in one reply.

But Jesus did tell them to do it in remembrance of Him.

Yes. I know. It is your second post I am reading today that does not tell me anything I don't know or the Church does not teach.

He certainly was known as "Peter" prior to your magic "rock" event. [cites several scriptures where name Peter was used prior to the "Thou art Peter" episode.

It doesn't follow that he was. The Evangleist, writing at the time when Peter was known cheifly as Peter, naturally refers to Peter by the name most likely to be known to the reader, Peter.

But that is n ot even an important point. Let us postulate that Jesus actually had renamed Peter earlier. But in Matthew 16 the reason for the renaming is given. So anyway, the connection is between Peter and the rock on which the Church is built.

It was Peters' faith, not Peter himself upon which Jesus built His Church.

Yes, you can say that. Generally, when people are given tasks it is because of some ability that they have pertaining to the task. In this case, the exceptional ability was St. Peter's faith. That made him pope.

Your reply has no relationship whatsoever to my post #5120

In 5120 you mentioned the possibility that some letters of St. Ignatius are not written by him, but the letter I am focused on, to the Smyrneans, is not among those thus suspected.

read the whole story of Joseph's reaction when he found she was pregnant

Yes, Joseph was upset that she was pregnant, but how is that helpful to undertand why a girl about to get married wonders how is she to have children PRIOR to becoming pregnant?

I am tired

That's OK. I am at times tired too. Thank you for your company.

Annalex: You were there? [at the times of Mary]

Old Reggie: Maybe.

No you were not, but somebody Catholic was present. St. Luke, for example.

5,974 posted on 12/27/2010 6:44:49 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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